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Old September 10th 07, 10:21 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Greens
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Default Problems with breed specific banning

Areas that try to ban specific breeds run into the problem that the owners
of the dog are protected by the fourteenth amendment in the USA.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf






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Old September 10th 07, 03:18 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Marcel Beaudoin
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Default Problems with breed specific banning

in rec.pets.dogs.behavior, "Greens" wrote in
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Areas that try to ban specific breeds run into the problem that the
owners of the dog are protected by the fourteenth amendment in the
USA.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf


And how exactly does the 14th amendment protect dog owners??

--
Marcel Beaudoin and Moogli
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Old September 10th 07, 10:33 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Greens
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"Marcel Beaudoin" wrote in message
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in rec.pets.dogs.behavior, "Greens" wrote in
:

Areas that try to ban specific breeds run into the problem that the
owners of the dog are protected by the fourteenth amendment in the
USA.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf


And how exactly does the 14th amendment protect dog owners??

--
Marcel Beaudoin and Moogli


The dog isn't protected. The owner is protected.

All dogs have teeth. In theory any of them can inflict a bite. If a specific
breed is singled out for banishment, it violates the owner's 14th amendment
rights giving equal protection. I don't really understand it, but there is a
search box on the linked page. Type in "amendment" and it'll take you to the
rather brief explanation.




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Old September 10th 07, 10:56 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Marcel Beaudoin
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"Greens" wrote
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rec.pets.dogs.behavior:


"Marcel Beaudoin" wrote in message
. 1.4...
in rec.pets.dogs.behavior, "Greens" wrote in
:

Areas that try to ban specific breeds run into the problem that the
owners of the dog are protected by the fourteenth amendment in the
USA.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf


And how exactly does the 14th amendment protect dog owners??


The dog isn't protected. The owner is protected.

All dogs have teeth. In theory any of them can inflict a bite. If a
specific breed is singled out for banishment, it violates the owner's
14th amendment rights giving equal protection. I don't really
understand it, but there is a search box on the linked page. Type in
"amendment" and it'll take you to the rather brief explanation.


First of all, your linked page is a .pdf file, so you might want to check
to make sure you linked to the right page.

Second, the 14th amendment is, IIRC, about equal protection under the law
being guaranteed to all citizens (or words to that effect). Now I may be
Canadian, and so therefore not familiar with all of the ins and outs of
the US constitution, but I am pretty sure dog ownership is not protected
by the constitution.

--
Marcel and Moogli
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Old September 10th 07, 11:15 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Greens
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"Marcel Beaudoin" wrote in message
.. .
"Greens" wrote
in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:


"Marcel Beaudoin" wrote in message
. 1.4...
in rec.pets.dogs.behavior, "Greens" wrote in
:

Areas that try to ban specific breeds run into the problem that the
owners of the dog are protected by the fourteenth amendment in the
USA.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf

And how exactly does the 14th amendment protect dog owners??


The dog isn't protected. The owner is protected.

All dogs have teeth. In theory any of them can inflict a bite. If a
specific breed is singled out for banishment, it violates the owner's
14th amendment rights giving equal protection. I don't really
understand it, but there is a search box on the linked page. Type in
"amendment" and it'll take you to the rather brief explanation.


First of all, your linked page is a .pdf file, so you might want to check
to make sure you linked to the right page.

Second, the 14th amendment is, IIRC, about equal protection under the law
being guaranteed to all citizens (or words to that effect). Now I may be
Canadian, and so therefore not familiar with all of the ins and outs of
the US constitution, but I am pretty sure dog ownership is not protected
by the constitution.

--
Marcel and Moogli


It is a pdf and as you can see it's from the CDC or The Center for Disease
Control. It has the .gov in the address. It's from 2000, but I'm sure they
know more about the US constitution and it's application to breed specific
legislation than either of us do.

There is a search box for this page under your address bar if you have any
doubts.


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Old September 11th 07, 12:19 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Marcel Beaudoin
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"Greens" wrote
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rec.pets.dogs.behavior:


"Marcel Beaudoin" wrote in message
.. .
"Greens" wrote
in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:


"Marcel Beaudoin" wrote in message
. 1.4...
in rec.pets.dogs.behavior, "Greens" wrote in
:

Areas that try to ban specific breeds run into the problem that
the owners of the dog are protected by the fourteenth amendment in
the USA.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf

And how exactly does the 14th amendment protect dog owners??

The dog isn't protected. The owner is protected.

All dogs have teeth. In theory any of them can inflict a bite. If a
specific breed is singled out for banishment, it violates the
owner's 14th amendment rights giving equal protection. I don't
really understand it, but there is a search box on the linked page.
Type in "amendment" and it'll take you to the rather brief
explanation.


First of all, your linked page is a .pdf file, so you might want to
check to make sure you linked to the right page.

Second, the 14th amendment is, IIRC, about equal protection under the
law being guaranteed to all citizens (or words to that effect). Now I
may be Canadian, and so therefore not familiar with all of the ins
and outs of the US constitution, but I am pretty sure dog ownership
is not protected by the constitution.



It is a pdf and as you can see it's from the CDC or The Center for
Disease Control. It has the .gov in the address. It's from 2000, but
I'm sure they know more about the US constitution and it's application
to breed specific legislation than either of us do.

There is a search box for this page under your address bar if you have
any doubts.


Did you actually read the .pdf??

They say that constitutional questions have been raised, not that it
violates the constution. They also say that despite people raising such
arguments, BSLs have been upheld.

And as a point, the CDC is not an authority on the constitution.

--
Marcel and Moogli
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Old September 13th 07, 11:42 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Default Problems with breed specific banning

That's unfortunate, but it's still necessary. Some breeds of dogs are
unacceptably likely to attack somebody, with horrible consequences.
You can imagine what went through the mind of a 64 year old woman from
my area a couple of years back when she was savagely torn to pieces by
5 pit bulls, those last few seconds when she knew she was going to
die, just as she felt her face being ripped off. Think about it. Just
think about it.

Of course, there are "nice" pit bulls, too - I've seen many of them -
but that's not enough to compensate for their potential danger. Most
people wouldn't misuse a machine gun or hand grenade, so they should
be legal too, right? You get the point.

Ron M.
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Old September 13th 07, 12:00 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Melinda Shore
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Default Problems with breed specific banning

In article ,
elegy wrote:
and people who are mauled by other breeds somehow have a different
experience?


You know, they actually might. Someone who freaks out at
pit bulls and wants to call cops and lawyers and whatnot
might react to being bitten by a Golden Retriever by saying
"ouch!" People perceive breeds differently, and the
hysteria around pit bulls tends to lead to more hysteria.
Unfortunately, a lot of people think that the laws ought to
be based in their biases.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community
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Old September 14th 07, 03:38 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Julia Altshuler
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Default OT- constitutions Problems with breed specific banning

Marcel Beaudoin wrote:

Second, the 14th amendment is, IIRC, about equal protection under the law
being guaranteed to all citizens (or words to that effect). Now I may be
Canadian, and so therefore not familiar with all of the ins and outs of
the US constitution, but I am pretty sure dog ownership is not protected
by the constitution.



Is there a Canadian equivalent to the U.S. 14th amendment? Has it ever
been tested, in the sense of a government trying to deny a citizen the
protection of the justice system? How's it worded in Canada?


--Lia, living with a Canadian and still baffled by them

 




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