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dogs and babies
So on the corgi list someone posted that their baby has started crawling and
the corgi has started herding the baby. This caused a huge uproar - apparently this dog feels the baby is lower than he on the totem pole and its a very dangerous situation. The dog must be made to beleive that the child is his alpha immediately. Now, I've had dogs a while and I've had a 10 month old and I have NO idea how I could possibly have gotten Kavik and Tok to think Monk was anything other than a baby. Could I have the baby control access to resources? Take them to obedience class? I understand that in some cases where a dog isnt' giving a child a "puppy pass" you could have issues, but in this case there was no other information offered other than the herding info - no indication of any issue between the baby and the dog. Additionally, how could one make the dog see the baby as "alpha"? What do you think? |
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Beth In Alaska wrote: What do you think? I agree that the questions is being framed wrong ("alpha?"). I don't think the Corgi should be herding the baby (duh) but it's not because it's a pack structure question. I know you don't like Jean Donaldson, but if you haven't taken a look at that video clip I referred to earlier this week you might enjoy it (or might not, but still ... ) http://www.dogwise.com/video/video.cfm?itemid=DTB966 -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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"Beth In Alaska" said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior: This caused a huge uproar - apparently this dog feels the baby is lower than he on the totem pole and its a very dangerous situation. The dog must be made to beleive that the child is his alpha immediately. The baby should roll the dog. Seriously, the herding stuff must stop, probably through management at first, training ASAP. Have these people been through any sort of obedience training with the dog? And it's not a pack or alpha thing - just a lack of manners and respect for others. You mention that this has brought on concern for Monk/Pirate interaction - is this what's going on in your house, too? I imagine that bringing in a dog after the infant presents more issues than vice versa. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. |
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"Rocky" wrote in message ... "Beth In Alaska" said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: This caused a huge uproar - apparently this dog feels the baby is lower than he on the totem pole and its a very dangerous situation. The dog must be made to beleive that the child is his alpha immediately. The baby should roll the dog. Seriously, the herding stuff must stop, probably through management at first, training ASAP. Have these people been through any sort of obedience training with the dog? but why?? its not harming the child And it's not a pack or alpha thing - just a lack of manners and respect for others. You mention that this has brought on concern for Monk/Pirate interaction - is this what's going on in your house, too? I imagine that bringing in a dog after the infant presents more issues than vice versa. no problems except my son is too rough with pirate on occasion. he's been harder to train than any dog. pirate is IDEAL for us partiall because he's so tolerant of ben |
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"Melinda Shore" wrote in message ... In article , Beth In Alaska wrote: What do you think? I agree that the questions is being framed wrong ("alpha?"). I don't think the Corgi should be herding the baby (duh) but it's not because it's a pack structure question. i've known shelties who herded kids away from the street - the dog isn't nipping, he's just barking and running. perhaps its a play behavior. i'm not sure its a big deal at all - and do not know the owners except they were concerned about the barking. The reaction of the corgi people was oddly over the top but it sounds like corgi's can be VERY bossy, and they have learned from experience things I have not had to . Luckily Pirate is NOT like this. I know you don't like Jean Donaldson, but if you haven't taken a look at that video clip I referred to earlier this week you might enjoy it (or might not, but still ... ) http://www.dogwise.com/video/video.cfm?itemid=DTB966 i don't dislike her , i just didnt like the one book i read |
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"Melinda Shore" wrote in message ... I know you don't like Jean Donaldson, but if you haven't taken a look at that video clip I referred to earlier this week you might enjoy it (or might not, but still ... ) http://www.dogwise.com/video/video.cfm?itemid=DTB966 and oh yeah- sure I will watch -the more you know the more you know |
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"Beth In Alaska" wrote in message: but why?? its not harming the child It can be. It is controlling behavior, and some herding dogs do nip to keep whatever is being herded in check. I would not allow it, not when it comes to kids. Suja |
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"Beth In Alaska" said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior: Seriously, the herding stuff must stop, probably through management at first, training ASAP. Have these people been through any sort of obedience training with the dog? but why?? its not harming the child It's not harming the child now. Honestly, herding kids and all that entails can be a big concern - all the way from the dog nipping heels to deciding how the kid(s) should be contained to interpreting roughhouse behaviour between he and his friends. Herding involves controlling the behaviour of the herdees - even with sheep this is done under the control and command of a human and not left up to the dog. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. |
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"Suja" wrote in message ... "Beth In Alaska" wrote in message: but why?? its not harming the child It can be. It is controlling behavior, and some herding dogs do nip to keep whatever is being herded in check. I would not allow it, not when it comes to kids. I guess I'd have to see it. I coudl see pirate "herding" monk in the backyard and it wouldn't phase me one iota |
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"Beth In Alaska" wrote in message ... i've known shelties who herded kids away from the street - the dog isn't nipping, he's just barking and running. perhaps its a play behavior. i'm not sure its a big deal at all - and do not know the owners except they were concerned about the barking. The reaction of the corgi people was oddly over the top but it sounds like corgi's can be VERY bossy, and they have learned from experience things I have not had to . Luckily Pirate is NOT like this. Here is one of my Trip plugs. The woman across the street often babysits her grandson. One day Trip and I were out front doing something when Gavin ran into the road. Trip immediatly gently nudged him back to his Grandma's yard. I live at the dead end part of a dead end street or I wouldn't be cavalier about letting my dogs be with me in the unfenced front yard. Yes, corgis can be bossy boots. I would wonder if these people have otherwise good control over their dog. Beth I know you don't like Jean Donaldson, but if you haven't taken a look at that video clip I referred to earlier this week you might enjoy it (or might not, but still ... ) http://www.dogwise.com/video/video.cfm?itemid=DTB966 i don't dislike her , i just didnt like the one book i read |
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