Prong collars are wonderful training and control tools. Many of the
available collars are inexpensive Chinese or Asian made and have sharp edged
prong tips that will cut flesh and cause bleeding. Shop for European
(German) prong collars, they are more expensive but have smooth rounded tips
on the links and are safe for all kinds of control work. Always run your
fingers over the prong tips, if they have an edge that you can feel they are
cheaply made and not for your dog. If you do have a cheap collar with sharp
edged prongs you might be able to smooth them with a file.
Cj

"Cj" wrote in message
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Prong collars are wonderful training and control tools. Many of the
available collars are inexpensive Chinese or Asian made and have sharp
edged prong tips that will cut flesh and cause bleeding. Shop for
European (German) prong collars, they are more expensive but have smooth
rounded tips on the links and are safe for all kinds of control work.
Always run your fingers over the prong tips, if they have an edge that
you can feel they are cheaply made and not for your dog. If you do have
a cheap collar with sharp edged prongs you might be able to smooth them
with a file.
Cj

The large prong collar I bought a year ago at Tractor Supply Company for
about $12 seems to be well made, with nicely rounded tips. The smaller
custom made collar I bought at the dog obedience school I attended had
sharper edges, and also the chain had been replaced with a nylon rope,
which frayed and broke when my dog scratched at it.

If you file the sharp edges, you will remove the protective chrome plating,
and it will be more subject to rusting, but it is better than possibly
harming the dog's neck.

It is also important to notice if the prongs are made of spring steel,
which can be compressed to take out prong links for adjustment, and to
remove the collar.

Thanks for the warning.

Paul and Muttley

The esteemed PW wrote:

That's curiHOWES. I've never seen WON cheap pronged spiked
pinch choke collar that had sharp tips EXXXCEPT for janet boss's
CUSTOM MADE pronged spiked pinch choke collar made of
coat hanger wire and nylon cord. I'd eagerly show you the picture
of it but janet *(PREDICTABLY) changed the link. I've got a
picture of it in my files that I'll post to the WWW later {}: ~ (

Here are my pictures of the defective merchandise before I returned it for
refund:

www.smart.net/~pstech/Muttley/ProngCollar023.JPG
www.smart.net/~pstech/Muttley/ProngCollar024.JPG
www.smart.net/~pstech/Muttley/ProngCollar025.JPG

Paul and Muttley

In article ,
"Paul E. Schoen" wrote:


Here are my pictures of the defective merchandise before I returned it for
refund:

and here's a photo of the collar that I received in the mail, next to a
brand new collar (which I have sold HUNDREDS of w/out incident):

http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/a...20MD%20SPCA%20
CLASS/?action=view&current=9c9e.jpg

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

In article ,
Janet Boss wrote:
and here's a photo of the collar that I received in the mail, next to a
brand new collar (which I have sold HUNDREDS of w/out incident):

I really don't think that you have any reason whatsoever to
feel as if you've got to defend yourself against a
dysfunctional lunatic who can't let go of even the tiniest
stuff. I can't believe he's still whining about that stupid
collar.

Here's hoping for a great Thanksgiving for the Americans
here. My mother is usually pretty precise in her language
but when we were talking about Thanksgiving plans the other
day she said "We have a lot to be thankful for, even though
we're Canadian." Sometimes despite your best efforts stuff
just comes out wrong.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

Janet Boss spoke these words of wisdom
in :

In article ,
"Paul E. Schoen" wrote:


Here are my pictures of the defective merchandise before I returned it
for refund:

and here's a photo of the collar that I received in the mail, next to a
brand new collar (which I have sold HUNDREDS of w/out incident):

http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/a...20MD%20SPCA%20
CLASS/?action=view&current=9c9e.jpg


Good lord, what abuse happened to that collar? It looks like it was
dragging a dead horse through a mud pit for 100 miles. This picture
doesn't depict faulty merchandise, it depicts malicious abuse by a collar.
I can't imagine having a collar look like that after 100 years of use. I
love the modification idea, and it looks sturdy for sure, and user
friendly.

I wonder if Paul knew the collar is supposed to come OFF the dog when
training is not actively in session. NOT to be worn unsupervised. If a dog
worries any collar while unsupervised, it's not going to come out pretty.
But if the dog is supervised.......... There is no reason for it getting
muddied or messed up like that, and it should definitely be durable enough
to hold any dog during any number of training sessions.

In article ,
(Melinda Shore) wrote:


Here's hoping for a great Thanksgiving for the Americans
here. My mother is usually pretty precise in her language
but when we were talking about Thanksgiving plans the other
day she said "We have a lot to be thankful for, even though
we're Canadian." Sometimes despite your best efforts stuff
just comes out wrong.

LOL! I'm thankful that all I have to do for today's dinner is provide
the wine and DH provides oyster stew (which I take a pass on). We go to
SIL's house. I do Christmas, which I prefer - the menu can change each
year!

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

In article , diddy none
wrote:


Good lord, what abuse happened to that collar? It looks like it was
dragging a dead horse through a mud pit for 100 miles. This picture
doesn't depict faulty merchandise, it depicts malicious abuse by a collar.
I can't imagine having a collar look like that after 100 years of use. I
love the modification idea, and it looks sturdy for sure, and user
friendly.

I wonder if Paul knew the collar is supposed to come OFF the dog when
training is not actively in session. NOT to be worn unsupervised. If a dog
worries any collar while unsupervised, it's not going to come out pretty.
But if the dog is supervised.......... There is no reason for it getting
muddied or messed up like that, and it should definitely be durable enough
to hold any dog during any number of training sessions.


Yep. I've used these collars for the last 5 or 6 years and have been
very happy with them. The modification makes them so much easier to put
on, and doesn't weaken links by squeezing them. And of course, they are
never to be used unless a human is holding the other end of the leash
attached to them, and not allowing the dog to scratch at the collar
either! I almost always prefer the smaller link as well, and have yet
to have one make a dog bleed. Good lord.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

(Melinda Shore) spoke these words of wisdom in news:fi3s7g
:
I can't believe he's still whining about that stupid
collar.

I can't believe he could possibly manage to do that to a collar and then
claim product failure. I know how strong those nylon loops would be, my
gosh, I'd trust it to hold a wild horse.


After looking at this collar, it's very easy to see why Paul has an attorney
on retainer.
professional victims probably find it economical to do so.

Which probably also explains his hysterical reaction to Mr Snappy-Grabby. I'm
so glad when Tuck met him, it was in a room crowded with people (witnesses)
that never observed anything. And when I met Paul the second time Tuck had
been whisked out of the area by friends, or I can only imagine the scenario,
that was building. I'm sure ,alone, Mr Snappy-Grabby's behavior would have
evolved into a full blown mauling without witnesses.

Be afraid.. be VERY afraid.. and stay far far away!!!!!!

Janet Boss spoke these words of wisdom
in :

In article , diddy none
wrote:


Good lord, what abuse happened to that collar? It looks like it was
dragging a dead horse through a mud pit for 100 miles. This picture
doesn't depict faulty merchandise, it depicts malicious abuse by a
collar. I can't imagine having a collar look like that after 100 years
of use. I love the modification idea, and it looks sturdy for sure, and
user friendly.

I wonder if Paul knew the collar is supposed to come OFF the dog when
training is not actively in session. NOT to be worn unsupervised. If a
dog worries any collar while unsupervised, it's not going to come out
pretty. But if the dog is supervised.......... There is no reason for
it getting muddied or messed up like that, and it should definitely be
durable enough to hold any dog during any number of training sessions.


Yep. I've used these collars for the last 5 or 6 years and have been
very happy with them. The modification makes them so much easier to put
on, and doesn't weaken links by squeezing them. And of course, they are
never to be used unless a human is holding the other end of the leash
attached to them, and not allowing the dog to scratch at the collar
either! I almost always prefer the smaller link as well, and have yet
to have one make a dog bleed. Good lord.


Is he claiming it made Muttley Bleed?