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Old November 26th 07, 10:31 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior, rec.pets.dogs.health, rec.pets.dogs.breeds,alt.pets.dogs.labrador, alt.pets.dogs.pitbull
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Default The importance of properly training your dog

IChewedThroughMyRestraints_HelpMePryTheBarsOffTheW indow Wrote:

Whew! That's really tough goin... Let's keep at it some more.

"Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply"
wrote in message ...
wrote:

I look forward to hearing all your input and what your techniques
are when it comes to raising your dog... Dog lovers unite!


I sure hope you stick around here and participate if you want to
increase your visibility. Most people don't go to Usenet to look
for web sites; that's what places like Google are for, and people
who come here merely to plug their own interests are often looked
upon as spammers.


O.K., melinda. I think maybe just WON more good heft on
these bars and we'll break the bolts from around the window.

Ready? Let's do it together on THREE... WON, TWO, THREE!

Aaaaargh!

Yipee! WE GOT IT! WE GOT IT! Shhhh.... quite.

O.K. Now I'll lower you down to the next floor where you can get
in cause there's no patients kept there an it's unsecured, no bars,
no locks, no attendants.

Then all you gotta do is come back up through the elevator and
knock out the orderley at the front desk usin WON of these bars
from the window. Then just grab his keys an let me outta here.

I'm takin you with me, I PROMISE {}: ~ )

--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it.
Autograph your work with excellence.


"The grain of salt to take this with is that my faith
is one of the most improtant things in my life."

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:04:37 -0800

Subject: PRAYER REQUEST Was
Inflammatory Breast Cancer

Betty C. wrote:
Sorry if I was out of line...I guess I'm used to the 123stitch
message board, where when someone sends a prayer request,
many people respond. It was my first (and last) post here....


You were not out of line at all in voicing your opinion. But I was
not out of line at all in voicing mine, either. It sure would be a
boring world if every place was the same, and each message area
(mailing list, newsgroup, message board) on Usenet has its own
flavor.

Just because someone here does not like a newsgroup clogged
with "me, too" types of posts doesn't mean that you need to leave
or that you have to agree with us. And just because we don't act
just like the people on the 123stich message board, that doesn't
mean that one or the other of us is wrong.

Just different.

I'm okay with that, and I hope you are, too.
--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it.
Autograph your work with excellence.

"The grain of salt to take this with is that my faith
is one of the most improtant things in my life."

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
From: "Betty C."

Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:07:35 -0600

Subject: PRAYER REQUEST Was
Inflammatory Breast Cancer

Sorry if I was out of line...I guess I'm used to the 123stitch
message board, where when someone sends a prayer request,
many people respond. It was my first (and last) post here....
And this thread just seemed to drag on, more argumentive
than conversational (I'm sure there will be a comment about
that statement too).

"The grain of salt to take this with is that my faith
is one of the most improtant things in my life."

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:05:43 -0800

Subject: PRAYER REQUEST Was
Inflammatory Breast Cancer

Betty C. wrote:
Is that why the group consists of a 'select few' (huge group?!)
that posts about *everything*, why you see the same names
over and over (especially in the IBC thread!) and anyone new
that has the audacity to post is criticized??

But then, you even criticize each other!! Yawn!!


I was not criticizing, but I cannot speak for anybody else.
--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it.
Autograph your work with excellence.

"The grain of salt to take this with is that my faith
is one of the most improtant things in my life."

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

What do you think your HERO Aaron would say to THAT, melinda??

I'll TELL you what Aaron would say, melinda, he'd PREY for you
and make a PREYER REQUEST on your sewing forums so your
SATAN WORSHIPING FRIENDS could PREY WITH HIM for
your soul.

Some freakin "CHRISTIAN" you are, eh, melinda??

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:49:30 -0800

Subject: Hope this question doesn't offend anybody, but here
goes...

Paul E. Schoen wrote:

(several suggestions of alternative places to try
gratefully received and snipped here)

There is really no need to
killfile anyone, even Jerry,


I don't ever killfile anybody. I hardly ever get my blood boiling in
response to what anybody says (only a handful of times in my entire
life, but for really important things like a doctor I transcribed for
whose dictations revealed the open contempt with which he held
over half his patients and the like) .

I am really good at marking things as read without even opening
them when I know it's somebody whose posts will not be worth
my while to read.

I do, however, miss Candace the border collie who rode herd
on him in the border collie groups I was on for the first few
years after we got a border collie.
--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it.
Autograph your work with excellence.

BUT THEN YOU DO:

From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:14:49 -0700

Subject: Can I ask a housebreaking question here?

(Name omitted to protect the guilty) wrote:

HOWEDY Melinda Mehan,


Hmmm, I see you missed my post where I said that I was
not welcoming replies that would invite a post from Candace
the Border Collie.
--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it.
Autograph your work with excellence.

From: Melinda Meahan
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:49:23 -0800

Subject: HOWE did that happen?

Hriscay wrote:
In article ,
"Jerry Howe" wrote:....


lurk mode off


HOWE did that happen?


This shouldn't come as a surprise to most that read this NG -
last May, our favourite poster has earned a place in Full Canvas
Jacket:Unhinged Lunatic Rant of the Week:


I think Candace needs to find this newsgroup, too.
After all, she is a border collie....
--
I know God will not give me anything I can't handle.
I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. - Mother Teresa

"Don't worry about him. He's the resident dog-newsgroup troll.
Google for "Candace the border collie" (someone who dedicated
time to debunking him) to find out more about him," melinda m.

You'll notice candace a.k.a. karen craven is a PROVEN
LIAR and animal abusin MENTAL CASE. She don't post
her LIES and IDIOCY here abHOWETS nodoGdameneDMOORE.

"The grain of salt to take this with is that my faith
is one of the most improtant things in my life."

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
  #2  
Old November 27th 07, 12:27 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior, rec.pets.dogs.health, rec.pets.dogs.breeds,alt.pets.dogs.labrador, alt.pets.dogs.pitbull
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Posts: 46
Default The importance of properly training your dog

IChewedThroughMyRestraints_HelpMePryTheBarsOffTheW indow
Wrote In A Semi-Lucid Moment:

Aaaargh!

"Aaron111" wrote in message
...

;327326 Wrote:
IChewedThroughMyRestraints_HelpMePryTheBarsOffTheW indow Wrote:

Whew! That's really tough goin... Let's keep at it some more.

"Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply"

wrote in message ...-
wrote:-

I look forward to hearing all your input and what your techniques
are when it comes to raising your dog... Dog lovers unite! -

I sure hope you stick around here and participate if you want to
increase your visibility. Most people don't go to Usenet to look
for web sites; that's what places like Google are for, and people
who come here merely to plug their own interests are often looked
upon as spammers.-

O.K., melinda. I think maybe just WON more good heft on
these bars and we'll break the bolts from around the window.

Ready? Let's do it together on THREE... WON, TWO, THREE!

Aaaaargh!

Yipee! WE GOT IT! WE GOT IT! Shhhh.... quite.

O.K. Now I'll lower you down to the next floor where you can get
in cause there's no patients kept there an it's unsecured, no bars,
no locks, no attendants.

Then all you gotta do is come back up through the elevator and
knock out the orderley at the front desk usin WON of these bars
from the window. Then just grab his keys an let me outta here.

I'm takin you with me, I PROMISE {}: ~ )
-
--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it.
Autograph your work with excellence.-

"The grain of salt to take this with is that my faith
is one of the most improtant things in my life."

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:04:37 -0800

Subject: PRAYER REQUEST Was
Inflammatory Breast Cancer

Betty C. wrote:-
Sorry if I was out of line...I guess I'm used to the 123stitch
message board, where when someone sends a prayer request,
many people respond. It was my first (and last) post here....-

You were not out of line at all in voicing your opinion. But I was
not out of line at all in voicing mine, either. It sure would be a
boring world if every place was the same, and each message area
(mailing list, newsgroup, message board) on Usenet has its own
flavor.

Just because someone here does not like a newsgroup clogged
with "me, too" types of posts doesn't mean that you need to leave
or that you have to agree with us. And just because we don't act
just like the people on the 123stich message board, that doesn't
mean that one or the other of us is wrong.

Just different.

I'm okay with that, and I hope you are, too.
--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it.
Autograph your work with excellence.

"The grain of salt to take this with is that my faith
is one of the most improtant things in my life."

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
From: "Betty C."

Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:07:35 -0600

Subject: PRAYER REQUEST Was
Inflammatory Breast Cancer

Sorry if I was out of line...I guess I'm used to the 123stitch
message board, where when someone sends a prayer request,
many people respond. It was my first (and last) post here....
And this thread just seemed to drag on, more argumentive
than conversational (I'm sure there will be a comment about
that statement too).

"The grain of salt to take this with is that my faith
is one of the most improtant things in my life."

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.needlework
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:05:43 -0800

Subject: PRAYER REQUEST Was
Inflammatory Breast Cancer

Betty C. wrote:-
Is that why the group consists of a 'select few' (huge group?!)
that posts about *everything*, why you see the same names
over and over (especially in the IBC thread!) and anyone new
that has the audacity to post is criticized??

But then, you even criticize each other!! Yawn!!-

I was not criticizing, but I cannot speak for anybody else.
--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it.
Autograph your work with excellence.

"The grain of salt to take this with is that my faith
is one of the most improtant things in my life."

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

What do you think your HERO Aaron would say to THAT, melinda??

I'll TELL you what Aaron would say, melinda, he'd PREY for you
and make a PREYER REQUEST on your sewing forums so your
SATAN WORSHIPING FRIENDS could PREY WITH HIM for
your soul.

Some freakin "CHRISTIAN" you are, eh, melinda??

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:49:30 -0800

Subject: Hope this question doesn't offend anybody, but here
goes...

Paul E. Schoen wrote:

(several suggestions of alternative places to try
gratefully received and snipped here)
-
There is really no need to
killfile anyone, even Jerry,-

I don't ever killfile anybody. I hardly ever get my blood boiling in
response to what anybody says (only a handful of times in my entire
life, but for really important things like a doctor I transcribed for
whose dictations revealed the open contempt with which he held
over half his patients and the like) .

I am really good at marking things as read without even opening
them when I know it's somebody whose posts will not be worth
my while to read.

I do, however, miss Candace the border collie who rode herd
on him in the border collie groups I was on for the first few
years after we got a border collie.
--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it.
Autograph your work with excellence.

BUT THEN YOU DO:

From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply

Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:14:49 -0700

Subject: Can I ask a housebreaking question here?

(Name omitted to protect the guilty) wrote:
-
HOWEDY Melinda Mehan,-

Hmmm, I see you missed my post where I said that I was
not welcoming replies that would invite a post from Candace
the Border Collie.
--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it.
Autograph your work with excellence.

From: Melinda Meahan
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:49:23 -0800

Subject: HOWE did that happen?

Hriscay wrote:--
In article ,
"Jerry Howe" wrote:....--
-
lurk mode off-
-
HOWE did that happen?-
-
This shouldn't come as a surprise to most that read this NG -
last May, our favourite poster has earned a place in Full Canvas
Jacket:Unhinged Lunatic Rant of the Week:-

I think Candace needs to find this newsgroup, too.
After all, she is a border collie....
--
I know God will not give me anything I can't handle.
I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. - Mother Teresa

"Don't worry about him. He's the resident dog-newsgroup troll.
Google for "Candace the border collie" (someone who dedicated
time to debunking him) to find out more about him," melinda m.

You'll notice candace a.k.a. karen craven is a PROVEN
LIAR and animal abusin MENTAL CASE. She don't post
her LIES and IDIOCY here abHOWETS nodoGdameneDMOORE.

"The grain of salt to take this with is that my faith
is one of the most improtant things in my life."

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!




Nice read here dog trainer"


STAND BAAAACK!

STAAAAND BAAAACK, I TELL YOU!!

melinda! Get ready to hit him with the pipe like HOWE
you done in that orderlie ~ but no so hard, I think you
killed him. I got PLANS for this WON {}: ~ (

Aaron111


Heh~! So, you're a DOCTOR, eh??

You LIKE givin us ELECTRO SHOCK THERAPY?

Well doc, you're gonna get a dose of your own medicine {}: ~ (

MELINDA! HIT HIM WITH THE PIPE!

THWAACK!

HIT HIM AGAIN!

THWACK!

HIT HIM AGAIN!

THWACK!

Good job, melinda!

NHOWE heelp me drag him to the
ELECTRO SHOCK THERAPY LAB!

Quick! Fish his pockets for the KEYS!

NO! That ain't his pocket! Git HOWETA my way! I'll
get the doGdameneD keys~! Here, open the door while
I keep an eye HOWET for another orderlie {}: ~ (

Quick, grab his ankles an gimme a hand liftin him onto this gurney.

He's comin arHOWEND. Heh, heh~!

O.K. doc, pick a number from WON to ten, heh, heh.
Won't talk, eh? O.K. I'll pick a number. No, you pick
a number melinda, you're better with arithmetic than me {}'; ~ )

100? That's a good number~!

O.K. doc, you won't even feel this comin {}: ~ )

O.K., melinda. Heelp me with this...

"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss

"J1Boss" wrote in message
...

He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss

"sionnach" wrote in message
...

"J1Boss" wrote in message
...
I can't imagine needing anything higher
than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
dog like a Lab.


An INSENSITIVE DOG???

I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.


From: sionnach )
Subject: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST

And Sally responded:
Who said that? I would never do or recommend
that, and neither would most of the regulars on here.
Sally Hennessey


I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed to do so.
Take it out of context and you'd think I was flinging puppies
across the room!

here's what I said (keep in mind that we're talking about a
12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's very persistant.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?

I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very
persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the
loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight
shake to the *skin*".

Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."

"Might Cubbe Be Ready For Harsher Training Techniques?

"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.

"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll
state my opinion once and won't defend it further:
any method can be cruel for some dogs.

Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at
the beginning, but we've come a long way since then.

She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.

Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
not coming.

Is it time for that?

What might I look for to tell?"

"Julia Altshuler"
wrote in message news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...

After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
and the vet agrees.
--Lia

"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help:

http://tinyurl.com/fbqnw

THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.

Your dog Cubbe has ATTACKED five innocent people,
including your BEAST FRIEND and your veterinarian,
three CHILDREN sending WON to the emergency room
and has ESCAPED your shock fence:

"Cubbe Got Out In The Neighborhood Leashless: It Was
Horrible! I Let Cubbe Out In The Backyard With Her Usual
ZAP Collar - The 10 Year Old Child Went To Give Cubbe
A Hug She Gave A Snarl-Snap. I don't even think she broke
the kid's skin and as far as I'm concerned, it was the kid's own
fault. Jim ran out and got control of Cubbe right away. I got
Ellie some alcohol and a bandage. The scary thing is that,
even though the damage is minor, it does qualify as a bite
since Cubbe did mean to do it.

I guess I should just learn from it and never let Cubbe
greet someone like that again, but I'm horribly torn up.

I've said that I would never keep an aggressive dog. Now
the whole issue is so complicated. Cubbe is great even with
kids when we meet them in the neighborhood."

AND THEN Cubbe ATTACKED a child at the park!

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

"I think of the way Cubbe is so awful at the vet. It is embarrassing
to have to muzzle your dog, but from Cubbe's perspective, she's just
defending herself, and I've come to admire her for that. All she
knows
is that woman is trying to hurt her, and she's taking reasonable
measures
in defense. The bad news is that the vet reports no improvement in her
fear during the exam and shots.--Lia"

"Cubbe is highly sensitive. She knows she's going to be hurt and
wiggles and squirms and might bite if she weren't muzzled. we put
her through a number of tests for parasites and had to knock her out
to look into her ears. There's also the problem with looking at
Cubbe's
teeth when she's not anesthetized. Jim and I can open her mouth with
no problem, but she's a wild woman at the vet.--Lia"

"Cubbe is a fear biter, but not, I think, an incorrigible one. She
needs a muzzle at the vet. I have to be super careful with her around
children. She's snapped at children (never breaking the skin). I
frequently have to tell kids that they can't pet my dog. (That's why
yesterday's story about her being subjected to a patting was a happy
unusual one.) She's always on a leash outside. We're managing the
situation and doing our best. She's also my dog, and I'm not about
to put her down for her crimes.

I'm guessing that the idiot whose dog attacked the kid feels the
same way about her dog as I feel about mine. I wouldn't say that
the situations are the same, though. What that dog did to that child
is on a whole 'nother scale. --Lia "

"I'm extra nervous because Cubbe is so fearful about being
cornered and of quick movements. I know Cubbe can snap
in fear. She's always had issues with cats and children that
weren't accurately represented on her intake sheet either.--Lia"

"We got Cubbe in 1998. I immediately took her to a dog training
class that I guessed would be similar to the one Jim took Sheppe to.
Right from the start I was unhappy. I was following instructions to
the best of my ability, making no progress, and was pretty miserable.

I started posted here then. He Who Shall Not Be Named started
posting at the same time, and the group was in a stranglehold
while people dealt with that.

I finished that 6 week course and tried another. That one was at a
nearby community school. The teacher was better, more observent,
and still teaching leash pops. I wasn't willing to call them a bad
thing because they'd worked for Sheppe. I hadn't realized yet that
they weren't going to work for Cubbe.

"I was starting to realize that Cubbe's troubles getting along with
other dogs was going to prevent her from learning anything in group
classes. "

"They also suggested I ask my veterinarian for suggestions
for in-person training. I got in-person clicker training help and
started having fun with Cubbe practically overnight. Cubbe
and I both took to it."

"I guess I should just learn from it and never let Cubbe
greet someone like that again, but I'm horribly torn up.

I've said that I would never keep an aggressive dog. Now
the whole issue is so complicated. Cubbe is great even with
kids when we meet them in the neighborhood."



"The actual quote is misleading
when taken out of context"

sinofabitch writes:
What I have said- repeatedly - is that he
took posts from two different people,
took pieces of them out of context,


Of curse. QUOTED. You wanna see it in context?

cobbled them together,


No. There was WON DIRECT QUOTE.

then added his own words:


"Neatly," and "Smartly."

and a fake signature.


"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.

Which is exactly what he did.


INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you deny it.

The actual quote is misleading


That so?

when taken out of context,


We'd been talkin abHOWET beatin the dog with a shoe...

and Jerry's faked "quote"


The WON sinofabitch totally DENIES.

is downright meaningless.


Only if you're a MENTAL CASE.

Here's Jerry's version

"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.

Here's yours:

"I dropped the leash, threw my
right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
grabbed her opposite foot with my
left hand, rolled her on her side,
leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
nipped her ear.
--Sara Sionnach

-------------------

"The actual quote is misleading
when taken out of context"

See?

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

BWEEEAAAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
 




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