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Old November 16th 04, 05:01 AM
Tony Johnson
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I am sure this has been posted here before but I am new, so please excuse
the redundancy of this post.

I have a Chihuahua that is the best dog I have ever had. Seems to be an
almost perfect specimen.
With an amazingly loving personality.

So here is my question, How bad is it to have an ACA registered dog? Is it
worth attempting to breed him with another ACA registered dog? Is ACA
recognized at all? What if I went to the same breeder?

I am sure you can see where I am going with this. Any input would be
appreciated.

Thank you,

Tony



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Old November 16th 04, 05:37 AM
Emily Carroll/Fluttervale
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"Tony Johnson" wrote in message
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I am sure this has been posted here before but I am new, so please excuse
the redundancy of this post.

I have a Chihuahua that is the best dog I have ever had. Seems to be an
almost perfect specimen.
With an amazingly loving personality.

So here is my question, How bad is it to have an ACA registered dog? Is it
worth attempting to breed him with another ACA registered dog? Is ACA
recognized at all? What if I went to the same breeder?

I am sure you can see where I am going with this. Any input would be
appreciated.


ACA will register anything with four legs. It is meaningless. They do not
care about studbook integrity, only the money that you paid for the little
slip of paper that says your dog is purebred--even if he isn't.

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Old November 16th 04, 06:24 AM
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 23:01:26 -0500 Tony Johnson whittled these words:
I have a Chihuahua that is the best dog I have ever had. Seems to be an
almost perfect specimen.
With an amazingly loving personality.


This is as it should be. You should be thrilled with your dog.

So here is my question, How bad is it to have an ACA registered dog?


Dpeneds upon what you mean by "bad." A great friend or pet doesn't need
any registration. So if your goal is a wonderful friend and companion, it
really doesn't matter.

On the Other Hand it makes a great deal of difference in breeding and
sound breeding decisions.

The purpose of registration is to allow research into the pedigree so that
responsible breeders can consider the risks and benefits of breeding, and
making particular pairings. Lack of information about the dogs in the
pedigree is a very serious impairment to good breeding. So the quality and
integrity of the registry records is critical. If you don't know who the
parents and grandparents really were, you can't make a good quality
breeding decision. So a useful registry must take certain steps to
improve the chances that the parents as represented by the breeder really
are the parents. The ACA exists largely because the breeders either could
not or would not comply with AKC requirements to ensure represented
bloodlines matched actual bloodlines.

In most registries, including both AKC and ACA, registration has
absolutely nothing to do with health or temperament. It is merely a means
of tracking parentage. The primary difference will be the credibility of
the recods and the breadth of information availabel through the registry.

Is it
worth attempting to breed him with another ACA registered dog? Is ACA
recognized at all? What if I went to the same breeder?


That depends upon your goals. If you are planning on making money off
your dog, then you can do that simply by breeding to anything without any
worry anout the genetic background. If you are trying to make another
just like him you will get that more accurately by getting a sibling or
half sibling. A lot of what you see can come from the grandparents.
Breeding without thorough knowledge of the grand parents and great
grandparents is a crap shoot.

I am sure you can see where I am going with this. Any input would be
appreciated.


Your feelings are quite common. This feeling is not a bad thing. It is a
good thing to be proud of youyr dog, and hapy with your dog's qualities.
Breeding your dog, however, is another matter entirely. Most people breed
only once. The majority of registered dogs do not come from commercial
breeders, but from pet owners who are breeders, but don't think they are
because they bred only once. The problem is that there are significant
genetic health problems because the people breeding don't know what they
don't know. And what they don't know is how to check for and avoid
continuing these genetic problems. This is smething education can
address. The vast majority of people who become educated quickly recgnize
that a good job of breeding is a taks of commitment.

The impulse to breed the well loved family pet is so common that yearly we
produce hundreds of thousands of dogs more than we have homes for. The
vast majority of dogs dying in shelters HAD homes. About 63% of dogs are
given up before the age of two. So if you cause puppies to come into this
world how do you keep them safe from that fate? It really isn't easy.
ANyone who is involved in the in-take of the dogs given up, and the
attempt to place them before they are killed, quickly learns how good
intentions fail.

Here is what responsible breeders do:

(1) They know so much about the breed, the lines, the dogs in the pedigree
and canine genetics that they can do a good job of predicting the
qualities of the puppies (2) they will know, because they have educated
themselves in basic genetics, that what they get in the puppies may be
very like or very unlike the parents, depending upon the other dogs in the
pedigree (3) they will have worked closely enough in rescue as to have a
solid handle on the typical reasons their breed are given up (4) they have
enough experience in puppy raising and dog training to be able to avoid a
give up by providing support and guidence to those who take the puppies
home (5) they maintain a close contact with those who take the puppies
home so they can learn about problems and head them off before the
problems become critical (6) they are proactive, they don't wait until
people complain.

And reducing the risks of genetic health problems in the puppies is worth
an entire book. I'm not a breeder and I have two books on canine
genentics. I figure, then, it is not too much to ask that someone
considering breeding get at least one of these books. I recommend
"Control of Canine Genetic Disease" by G. Padgett.


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Old November 16th 04, 06:53 AM
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"Tony Johnson" wrote in message
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I have a Chihuahua that is the best dog I have ever had. Seems to be an
almost perfect specimen.


Wow! I don't think I've ever met a perfect dog yet. Even the top champions
at Westminster have faults - but they have folks who hide them pretty well!


With an amazingly loving personality.


That's wonderful. Chihuahuas all too often have poor temperaments - much of
it is genetic, but how they are raised and trained plays a part too.


So here is my question, How bad is it to have an ACA registered dog?


How bad is it? It isn't good, if you are planning to breed.
A registry is only as good as the information that is provided by breeders.
An AKC dog can be just as un-breedworthy as a dog registered with one of
these scam registries. However, one of the huge red flags about non-AKC
registry is that there is no valid reason for a breeder of Chihuahua (or
most other AKC breeds) to choose a different registry. They are either
breeding unregistered dogs with no pedigree (but these scam registries give
them "papers" anyway) or they have lost their AKC privledges. No matter what
the reason, they are not responsible breeders, and their pedigree is as
suspect as a $4 bill.

Is it
worth attempting to breed him with another ACA registered dog? Is ACA
recognized at all?


It is recognized by educated people as a scam, and that's it, I'm afraid.
Check out the breeders who sell puppies with this registry - not a one will
be able to live up to the title "responsible breeder."


What if I went to the same breeder?

I am sure you can see where I am going with this. Any input would be
appreciated.


Frankly, with the huge number of Chihuahua being bred by puppy mills and
backyard breeders, there is simply no need for the average person to breed a
litter. My local shelter has 2-5 Chihuahua and assorted mixes a week. The
breed has serious health problems including luxating patellas and
Legg-Calves-Perths that cripple many dogs. I am sure I can't convince you
not to breed, but if you do, please get your dog tested for these problems
as well as having CERF and BAER tests done. Or, neuter your dog and enjoy
him as a pet, and if you want to seriously consider breeding, find a
responsible breeder who will mentor you and get you started in showing.

Christy


 




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