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Old December 19th 07, 05:34 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Tuck had his reading today. We spent all week making a book of pictures of
Tuck and the kids he works with. Making a children's book isn't nearly as
easy as writing first grade books would seem. Apparently first grade is too
hard for me.

It took me all week to make a first grade book of 13 pages. It's being
bound now, and I get to pick the books up in the morning for distribution.
YAY for STAPLES!

The progress in the reading group is speeding along.There are 6 therapy
dogs in the school (No this was not my idea... I was dragged into this
program kicking and screaming. I did not see any sense in spending $70 to
get my dog therapy tested and then entered in the program just so I could
drive 30 miles every week (current price of gas is shocking) and spend
half a day with first and second graders that I didn't know. I thought
those years were well behind me.


The kids are LOVING reading, and some asked to read more than one book to
him.

The kid that was so terrified of dogs that he panics even thinking of
having on within 2 rooms of him still needs someone with him when he works
with Tuck, but today he petted Tuck, and actually HUGGED him! HUGE
progress.


One girl who is very distracted just hugged him like she would never let
him go, and of course, he loved that. He really thinks he's a teddy bear.
He sat on her lap, Tucked his head under her chin, wrapped a paw around her
neck and hugged her for all he was worth until her time was up. This girl
seems to need a lot of touching. And Tuck is more than willing to be her
bear.


Tuck went to his mailbox, opened it for every kid, and took out their
letters and brought it to them. The teachers were amazed.
The first grader is doing much better this week. And he wanted to read to
Tuck, and he sat right down and wrote Tuck another letter.
He's actually the best reader of them all. He's a better reader than all
the second graders that we work with, yet he's the only first grader in our
class. Since these kids are the ones having the most difficulty reading in
the school, I haven't figured out why he's in the remedial reading class.
They just put him on drugs for ADD two weeks ago, and the teachers don't
know why (parent request) and the drugs have had a very negative impact on
this kid's school work. He had lost all motivation and the doctors took
him back off the drugs, and today he was back to being his normal self. I
like him so much better off drugs than on.

Tuck is receiving many letters from the kids. So his presence has become a
writing skills motivation as well. Tuck (me) just finished up writing all
the replies to his fan mail, asking questions so each child has a reason to
keep writing to him.

Another kid from another classroom, that's a behavior problem has been
earning stars of good behavior all week, so he could leave his classroom to
come pack up Tuck's stuff in his backpack . They (teachers) are finding all
kinds of reasons to use Tuck to higher standards. Yet they have not yet
even tickled the breadth and scope of Tuck's abilities and skills.

There are six dogs in that school program, but they are all asking for
Tuck. The teachers have requested that I spend more days volunteering in
the school. I told them no. I need some days to actually train Tuck. He is
going to be a real tracking dog ...someday. And maybe an obedience dog, and
perhaps even a show dog. But most of all, 3 hours is a long time for a dog
to maintain a presence and be expected to perform on demand over and over
and over. I don't want to burn him out. Tuck is showing some burnout of
doing repetitive tricks for so long. An added day a week would be too much
for him. He IS a dog afterall.

Tuck is in heaven though, he loves being mobbed by hoards of kids.
I'm finding this all very rewarding and a valuable experience, for
myself, Tuck, AND the kids.
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Old December 19th 07, 05:48 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On Dec 18, 11:34 pm, diddy none wrote:
3 hours is a long time for a dog
to maintain a presence and be expected to perform on demand over and over
and over. I don't want to burn him out. Tuck is showing some burnout of
doing repetitive tricks for so long. An added day a week would be too much
for him. He IS a dog after all.


I think that's already a lot for both of you. One thing about being a
good volunteer is that more is always asked of you.

Tuck is in heaven though, he loves being mobbed by hoards of kids.
I'm finding this all very rewarding and a valuable experience, for
myself, Tuck, AND the kids.


It's great that Tuck can reach the kids.
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Old December 19th 07, 06:49 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"diddy" none wrote in message
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Tuck is in heaven though, he loves being mobbed by hoards of kids.
I'm finding this all very rewarding and a valuable experience, for
myself, Tuck, AND the kids.



I love reading about this program diddy! And it appears you and Tuck are
enjoying it. This is just so cool. My two favorite things in the whole
world, dogs and little kids, and you have managed to make the absolute most
of both! Kudos' to Tuck and to you for giving you both the opportunity. I'm
glad Tuck is getting so much *kid time*.


td


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Old December 19th 07, 10:14 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"diddy" none wrote in message
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I'm finding this all very rewarding and a valuable experience, for
myself, Tuck, AND the kids.


I'm sure you know what kind of an impact a really good teacher can have on
your life. I think you and Tuck are impacting these kids in that way.
You're giving them the opportunity to learn about reading and writing and
that is more than just learning to read and write.

Talk about taking the ball and running with it, you two take the ball and
the cake,
Karla


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Old December 19th 07, 02:11 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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diddy wrote:
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Tuck went to his mailbox, opened it for every kid, and took out their
letters and brought it to them. The teachers were amazed.
The first grader is doing much better this week. And he wanted to read to
Tuck, and he sat right down and wrote Tuck another letter.
He's actually the best reader of them all. He's a better reader than all
the second graders that we work with, yet he's the only first grader in our
class. Since these kids are the ones having the most difficulty reading in
the school, I haven't figured out why he's in the remedial reading class.
They just put him on drugs for ADD two weeks ago, and the teachers don't
know why (parent request) and the drugs have had a very negative impact on
this kid's school work. He had lost all motivation and the doctors took
him back off the drugs, and today he was back to being his normal self. I
like him so much better off drugs than on.

snip

Who knows what's going on in this kid's home after school.
Unfortunately there is no definitive test for ADD, no blood test, no
x-ray that shows exactly what the problem is. Sometimes it just comes
down to a trial by medication.

A friend who's a pediatrician told me "If the meds work, we call it ADD,
because you can't cure LAS (Little Asshole Syndrome) with Ritalin. And
unfortunately, in some cases it's the parent that really needs to go
take a pill".

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Old December 19th 07, 03:02 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Kathleen wrote:

A friend who's a pediatrician told me "If the meds work, we call it ADD,
because you can't cure LAS (Little Asshole Syndrome) with Ritalin. And
unfortunately, in some cases it's the parent that really needs to go
take a pill".



This subject always interests me. Apologies for bringing it up again.


Is that true? Is it true that Ritalin doesn't work on all kids? If so,
it is unusual in the drug world.


We give Oxycodone to people in pain, and for a great many of them, it
cures their pain, that is, on a scale where extreme pain is on one end
and feeling pretty good is on the other, the Oxycodone moves them
several steps towards the feeling better side of the scale. But if you
give the drug to someone who isn't in pain, it still moves them closer
to feeling better. That's why it's addictive, isn't it?


Or imagine there was a psychological disorder called Inhibited, a
disorder characterized by extreme shyness and inability to speak freely
in a number of situations, a disorder where a person's natural
self-censor that prevents him from doing and saying stupid things works
overtime. We've got a drug for that. We call it alcohol. But alcohol
works on people whose self-censor is working the way it should too and
moves them several steps in the direction of being even less inhibited.


Prozac can take people who aren't severely depressed or even not
severely depressed and make them feel even better. It can get rid of
all the little irritations, annoyances, and fears that come with real life.


Antibiotics work to kill all bacteria in people who don't have infections.


Antihistamines dry me out when I'm not having an allergy attack.


So how is Ritalin the one drug where responding to the drug can be used
to diagnose a problem? Wouldn't it improve concentration in kids who
are concentrating appropriately for their age level anyway?


(I agree with you about the parents often being the ones who need
improvement. Somehow it's illegal for schools to tell parents how to
bring up their children (something I approve of) but legal for schools
to insist that children be given drugs.)


--Lia

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Old December 19th 07, 04:13 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Julia Altshuler wrote:
Kathleen wrote:

A friend who's a pediatrician told me "If the meds work, we call it
ADD, because you can't cure LAS (Little Asshole Syndrome) with
Ritalin. And unfortunately, in some cases it's the parent that really
needs to go take a pill".


This subject always interests me. Apologies for bringing it up again.


Is that true? Is it true that Ritalin doesn't work on all kids? If so,
it is unusual in the drug world.


snipped description of how many other drugs work.

So how is Ritalin the one drug where responding to the drug can be used
to diagnose a problem? Wouldn't it improve concentration in kids who
are concentrating appropriately for their age level anyway?


The effect of ritalin (and other stimulant drugs) _is_ unusual on
many ADD kids, because it calms them; whereas normals become
stimulated. Theories abound, and several of them center around
defects in one or another neurotransmitter system. This article
presents a bit of an overview and describes evidence that not
only dopamine systems but also possibly serotonin systems are
involved.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0118075443.htm
Drugs that affect dopamine systems (Ritalin, stimulants) as well
as drugs that affect serotonin systems (Prozac, MAO inhibitors)
are used to treat ADD, with varying effectiveness.

But of course ADD is not that simple, and cause, diagnosis and
treatment are violently controversial (if you want to see an area
of inquiry where observed correlations are frequently taken as
evidence of causation, this is a good place to look!). It's not
easy to diagnose; it manifests differently in different children.
It almost certainly has multiple causes. Some people argue
that it's a management problem, not a defect; being ADD has some
advantages that those of us with more pedestrian brains lack -
think of the energy! Like most psychiatric diagnoses, it's not
always clear (to people outside of the pharm. industry) that
drugs are the appropriate treatment; they affect people
differently, and they have many side effects, and behavioral
techniques, while more time consuming, also can be effective in
helping the children to calm and focus.

(I agree with you about the parents often being the ones who need
improvement. Somehow it's illegal for schools to tell parents how to
bring up their children (something I approve of) but legal for schools
to insist that children be given drugs.)


School personnel generally aren't qualified to diagnose ADD or
ADHD. I've read that parents have been told to keep their kids
out of school unless they are medicated for ADHD, but is that
actually legal? Or does it vary by state?

FurPaw

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every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed."
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Old December 19th 07, 04:25 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Julia Altshuler wrote:
Kathleen wrote:


A friend who's a pediatrician told me "If the meds work, we call it
ADD, because you can't cure LAS (Little Asshole Syndrome) with
Ritalin. And unfortunately, in some cases it's the parent that really
needs to go take a pill".




This subject always interests me. Apologies for bringing it up again.


Is that true? Is it true that Ritalin doesn't work on all kids? If so,
it is unusual in the drug world.

snip

The way I understand it, children with ADD and ADHD have some sort of
abnormal chemistry going on in their brains. Give them a stimulant drug
and it does pretty much the opposite of what you'd expect in someone
with "normal" chemistry - it lets them slow down and focus. Give
Ritalin to a normal person and it acts like speed, keeping them wide
awake. Hence the potential for abuse, especially among folks cramming
for exams, for example.

There are several different medications for ADD and if one doesn't work,
or doesn't last long enough, and you're still seeing typical ADD/ADHD
behavioral issues it may be worth trying another.

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Old December 19th 07, 04:26 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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FurPaw wrote:
This article presents a bit of an
overview and describes evidence that not only dopamine systems but also
possibly serotonin systems are involved.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0118075443.htm Drugs that
affect dopamine systems (Ritalin, stimulants) as well as drugs that
affect serotonin systems (Prozac, MAO inhibitors) are used to treat ADD,
with varying effectiveness.



Great article. Thanks. I'm still reading.
--Lia

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Old December 19th 07, 04:32 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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In article ,
Kathleen wrote:
The way I understand it, children with ADD and ADHD have some sort of
abnormal chemistry going on in their brains.


It's widely thought to involve a dopamine deficiency. [Been
diagnosed, don't give a crap.]
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