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Beanie's former "dad"
The family we got Beanie from has a lot of problems. One of the major
problems was the "dad" who has substance abuse issues, at one point extremely severe. I swear it's hard-wired into the family genes. He's been sober for a while now and is seriously working the program. He lives nearby - actually in a building where I used to live. He was doing a job with DH today and DH asked if I could have Beanie ready for a visit when they came back. The phone rang and there was a voice saying, "Release the hounds!" so I got the girls ready. Beanie was excited to greet her former dad. I gave him some disgusting extruded dog treats to give the girls and they were thrilled. She did everything to him that we don't allow her to do with anybody else, like jumping up and trying to stick her tongue in his mouth and nose. He was happy, she was happy, there was joy abounding for about five minutes. Then she was looking for DH and me and appeared to want to move on (and investigate the intense skunk smell in the front yard). I've seen that behavior from our other dogs who used to live with DH & his former GF and I find it interesting. I'm sure any of them would be happy to go back with a nice former owner but they're also happy here. She's not going anywhere, but it was good to see that she still loves him. Beanie's "dad" talked about how much he missed her and that he sometimes sees a dog near his apartment that looks just like her, which makes him miss her more. The dog that looks like the Beans is Moxie (Gigi). She lives about two blocks away from him. |
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montana wildhack spoke these words of wisdom
in news:2008031521402916807-montana@wildhackcominvalid: The family we got Beanie from has a lot of problems. One of the major problems was the "dad" who has substance abuse issues, at one point extremely severe. I swear it's hard-wired into the family genes. He's been sober for a while now and is seriously working the program. He lives nearby - actually in a building where I used to live. He was doing a job with DH today and DH asked if I could have Beanie ready for a visit when they came back. The phone rang and there was a voice saying, "Release the hounds!" so I got the girls ready. Beanie was excited to greet her former dad. I gave him some disgusting extruded dog treats to give the girls and they were thrilled. She did everything to him that we don't allow her to do with anybody else, like jumping up and trying to stick her tongue in his mouth and nose. He was happy, she was happy, there was joy abounding for about five minutes. Then she was looking for DH and me and appeared to want to move on (and investigate the intense skunk smell in the front yard). I've seen that behavior from our other dogs who used to live with DH & his former GF and I find it interesting. I'm sure any of them would be happy to go back with a nice former owner but they're also happy here. She's not going anywhere, but it was good to see that she still loves him. Beanie's "dad" talked about how much he missed her and that he sometimes sees a dog near his apartment that looks just like her, which makes him miss her more. The dog that looks like the Beans is Moxie (Gigi). She lives about two blocks away from him. I love "remember" stories, as I like to see how long a dog has retention. Which seems to be a long time |
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On 2008-03-16 06:16:34 -0400, diddy none said:
I like to see how long a dog has retention. Which seems to be a long time I think they remember forever. First, I think the "smell" is embedded in their brains although I have no evidence of that. I also remember a Doodle story; she hated fireworks of any kind and one of the neighbor's sons set off a bunch one Independence Day. She was outside when he started this activity. Previously, when he was outside, she would pay no attention, but after that night she barked like mad at him. He didn't live with his parents. We have a big privacy fence. Any time he came to visit, we'd know. Our adult dogs have remembered people they liked, but I can't say that Beanie's puppies remembered either DH or me - or we never got that impression. |
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montana wildhack spoke these words of wisdom
in news:2008031610345516807-montana@wildhackcominvalid: I think they remember forever. First, I think the "smell" is embedded in their brains although I have no evidence of that. I think so too |
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"diddy" none wrote in message . .. montana wildhack spoke these words of wisdom in news:2008031521402916807-montana@wildhackcominvalid: The family we got Beanie from has a lot of problems. One of the major problems was the "dad" who has substance abuse issues, at one point extremely severe. I swear it's hard-wired into the family genes. He's been sober for a while now and is seriously working the program. He lives nearby - actually in a building where I used to live. He was doing a job with DH today and DH asked if I could have Beanie ready for a visit when they came back. The phone rang and there was a voice saying, "Release the hounds!" so I got the girls ready. Beanie was excited to greet her former dad. I gave him some disgusting extruded dog treats to give the girls and they were thrilled. She did everything to him that we don't allow her to do with anybody else, like jumping up and trying to stick her tongue in his mouth and nose. He was happy, she was happy, there was joy abounding for about five minutes. Then she was looking for DH and me and appeared to want to move on (and investigate the intense skunk smell in the front yard). I've seen that behavior from our other dogs who used to live with DH & his former GF and I find it interesting. I'm sure any of them would be happy to go back with a nice former owner but they're also happy here. She's not going anywhere, but it was good to see that she still loves him. Beanie's "dad" talked about how much he missed her and that he sometimes sees a dog near his apartment that looks just like her, which makes him miss her more. The dog that looks like the Beans is Moxie (Gigi). She lives about two blocks away from him. I love "remember" stories, as I like to see how long a dog has retention. Which seems to be a long time Me too. When we first got Merlin, he mourned and grieved his prior *momma*. Poor old guy watched out the front windows for at least an hour after she drove off in her car. He was inconsolable. When it got dark outside, he retreated to his bed and blanket she'd brought with her for him. We tried and tried to console him, pet him, talk to him. He just cried occasionally and curled up in a ball with his back to us, not wanting any sort of consolation. He was so sad, I nearly called the girl back at midnight to tell her she needed to come back and get him. His sadness broke our hearts to see. The first time she came back to see him again, he still mourned when she left. Not as bad as the first time, but mourned still. The next time she came back to visit him once again, he was happy to see her, greeted her, was excited, but then went off to play with Gracie once again. And when she left that time, he was okay. He *told* her goodbye, much like he would anybody else who came regularly and left again. But he came back to our sides again, understanding or accepting that he was now a part of our pack. And he was happy or settled or accepting of that now. They have so much emotion, 'eh? I'm always amazed at my friends who don't have dogs and look at dogs as any other possession. It breaks, you replace it, it gets old, you replace it, it dies, you 'get over it' and buy a *new* one. No concept of the bond, the love, the need, etc. Their loss. td |
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montana wildhack wrote:
On 2008-03-16 06:16:34 -0400, diddy none said: I like to see how long a dog has retention. Which seems to be a long time I think they remember forever. First, I think the "smell" is embedded in their brains although I have no evidence of that. I also remember a Doodle story; she hated fireworks of any kind and one of the neighbor's sons set off a bunch one Independence Day. She was outside when he started this activity. Previously, when he was outside, she would pay no attention, but after that night she barked like mad at him. He didn't live with his parents. We have a big privacy fence. Any time he came to visit, we'd know. Our adult dogs have remembered people they liked, but I can't say that Beanie's puppies remembered either DH or me - or we never got that impression. It most likely has to do with their brain development; although human infants are like sponges in some ways, soaking up all kinds of information about tasks, their world, vocabulary, they retain little or no memory for the things that they do or people they meet (those that disappear from their life) or things that happen to them during their first three or so years of life ("episodes" - or episodic memories) . I expect that's true of dogs, on a much reduced time scale. Your puppies were given away before their brains had matured enough to retain episodic memories, so they probably did not have the ability to recognize you later. Adults' ability to retain memories of one-shot associations, especially when the episode is associated with fear, like Doodle's associating the guy's smell with fireworks, can last a lifetime. And when you think about it, that ability has great survival value. FurPaw -- "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." - Dwight D. Eisenhower To reply, unleash the dogs. |
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Montana said in part...
The family we got Beanie from has a lot of problems. One of the major problems was the "dad" who has substance abuse issues, at one point extremely severe. I swear it is hard wired into the family genes. ________________ Montana, I think there is data that supports that theory. I attended classes with someone that was in rehab. I was their support person in lieu of a family member. I think the eldest child or the only child is particularly at risk, of course that was the school of thought 20 years ago, it seems to me every decade or so, child care, dog training, rehab, etc. changes, sometimes back to one of the previous theories. __________________ Montana said in part... Beanie was excited to greet her former dad... ______________________ That was a bittersweet story. I wish for her former dad to be in a place physically and mentally to be able to have another dog some day, if he so desires. I split up with my SO of 12 years and he was going to stay on in the farm house we owned, so I left our last dog behind. She was my only crazy Dobe, she was about 2, and a fear biter. No one could get close to her, but me and my SO. I took great delight in hearing that she had bitten my SO's new love as she reclined on my bed Months later I returned to visit, she was inside the fence at the farm house. She started growling and barking. I called out to her, hey Lacey girl, she started wagging, jumping, and was so happy to see me. She was like that till the day she died, about 10 years later, no matter where they were living and no matter how long it had been between visits. I took in a mixed breed dog from the local 7-11. The employees said she had come to the store with a car load of people in the middle of the night on a "beer run". I put up flyers, put an ad in the paper. I lived in a very small community, every one knew every one. No one claimed her, after six months I had her spayed. One year later a friend of a friend stopped by and said, that dog belongs to so-and-so. I said, she has been here a year, and she is mine. The friend of a friend, so and so, and her kid pulled up in a PU truck. I was standing at the door with Sadie by my side. The friend of a friend brought me a picture of so-and-so, the kid, and Sadie. Sadie showed no interest in him, she ran out my front door when she heard the voice of her former owner and jumped right into the truck via the window. My heart was broken, but I couldn't argue with that. She definitely had fond memories of her family. I later heard through the grape vine, Sadie's mom was annoyed that I had her spayed. I think dogs have a better memory of good and tend to be more likely to let bad go. I really wonder how Jack would act if his former owners showed up again. He was abused and severely neglected. Montana, if you are still reading this novel, what happened to the missing dog that belonged to Beanie's former family? I think it was a Lab, was it ever found? Be Free.....Judy |
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"montana wildhack" wrote in message: I think they remember forever. We had a Lab, growing up, and dad left home when he was two or three years old. When he came back two years later, the dog still remembered him. When he came back another two years later, he clearly did not remember him. Suja |
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Suja wrote:
We had a Lab, growing up, and dad left home when he was two or three years old. When he came back two years later, the dog still remembered him. When he came back another two years later, he clearly did not remember him. And then there's Odysseus's dog, Argos, of Greek mythology. Odysseus played with his pup and took him hunting, then left on an Odyssey. When he returns 20 years later in disguise, the old dog lifts his head and wags a tail in recognition, then dies. --Lia http://www.theoi.com/Text/HomerOdyssey17.html And a hound that lay there raised his head and pricked up his ears, Argos, the hound of Odysseus, of the steadfast heart, whom of old he had himself bred, but had no joy of him, for ere that he went to sacred Ilios. In days past the young men were wont to take the hound to hunt the wild goats, and deer, and hares; but now he lay neglected, his master gone, in the deep dung of mules and cattle, which lay in heaps before the doors, till the slaves of Odysseus should take it away to dung his wide lands. There lay the hound Argos, full of vermin; yet even now, when he marked Odysseus standing near, he wagged his tail and dropped both his ears, but nearer to his master he had no longer strength to move. Then Odysseus looked aside and wiped away a tear, |
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