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Old April 1st 08, 07:29 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Just how much control would Caesar have over his PB's in a situation where 2
or 3 of his pack got into a fight? Instinct takes over in a pack and it
would be a frenzy. The rest of the pack would NOT just stand around and
watch quietly, at least that is what I've seen of pack behavior. That's why
they call it a "pack", remember?

Caesar is terrific, but I do not think he should take visitors into his pack
of PB's as a demonstration. There's just no way he could break up a pack
fight empty handed and protect his visitors. My only gripe with C.



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Old April 1st 08, 11:58 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"sandman" spoke these words of wisdom in
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Just how much control would Caesar have over his PB's in a situation
where 2 or 3 of his pack got into a fight? Instinct takes over in a
pack and it would be a frenzy. The rest of the pack would NOT just
stand around and watch quietly, at least that is what I've seen of pack
behavior. That's why they call it a "pack", remember?

Caesar is terrific, but I do not think he should take visitors into his
pack of PB's as a demonstration. There's just no way he could break up
a pack fight empty handed and protect his visitors. My only gripe with
C.





His dogs obviously don't fight. He doesn't allow it, and he also doesn't do
things that would initiate a fight
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Old April 1st 08, 07:25 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"sandman" spoke these words of wisdom
in :

Just how much control would Caesar have over his PB's in a
situation where 2 or 3 of his pack got into a fight?


I'm not a big Cesar Millan fan, but it's not because of how he
manages his dogs.

The Secret to not having dog fights is to not allow situations
which lead to them. Cesar appears to do this well.

Please send me $5.00.

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Old April 1st 08, 09:10 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On 2008-04-01 14:25:52 -0400, Rocky said:

The Secret to not having dog fights is to not allow situations
which lead to them. Cesar appears to do this well.

Please send me $5.00.


You'll never make it as the Dog Shouterer unless you charge more...

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Old April 2nd 08, 12:00 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On Apr 1, 1:29 am, "sandman" wrote:
Just how much control would Caesar have over his PB's in a situation where 2
or 3 of his pack got into a fight? Instinct takes over in a pack and it
would be a frenzy. The rest of the pack would NOT just stand around and
watch quietly, at least that is what I've seen of pack behavior. That's why
they call it a "pack", remember?

Caesar is terrific, but I do not think he should take visitors into his pack
of PB's as a demonstration. There's just no way he could break up a pack
fight empty handed and protect his visitors. My only gripe with C.


There IS an episode where there are about a dozen pits together in
order for a client to face her fear of them. They did get in a
scuffle, just as any group of dogs can, and Cesar immediately got them
under control without any problem. Now, if it was someone else's pack?
It may have been more difficult but his dogs know, love, and respect
him. ;o)
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Old April 2nd 08, 04:09 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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montana wildhack said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

On 2008-04-01 14:25:52 -0400, Rocky
said:

The Secret to not having dog fights is to not allow
situations which lead to them. Cesar appears to do this
well.

Please send me $5.00.


You'll never make it as the Dog Shouterer unless you charge
more...


I mean $500, though I may have meant $50,000.

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Old April 2nd 08, 07:16 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On 4/1/2008 7:00 PM plucked Senior Frog's Magic
Twanger and said:
On Apr 1, 1:29 am, "sandman" wrote:

Just how much control would Caesar have over his PB's in a situation where 2
or 3 of his pack got into a fight? Instinct takes over in a pack and it
would be a frenzy. The rest of the pack would NOT just stand around and
watch quietly, at least that is what I've seen of pack behavior. That's why
they call it a "pack", remember?

Caesar is terrific, but I do not think he should take visitors into his pack
of PB's as a demonstration. There's just no way he could break up a pack
fight empty handed and protect his visitors. My only gripe with C.


There IS an episode where there are about a dozen pits together in
order for a client to face her fear of them. They did get in a
scuffle, just as any group of dogs can, and Cesar immediately got them
under control without any problem. Now, if it was someone else's pack?
It may have been more difficult but his dogs know, love, and respect
him. ;o)

Another reason why it works is Cesar has taken the time to learn how
dogs communicate with each other. When Cesar holds a dog prone on the
ground with a hand about the throat, this is natural amongst canines.
I've been to a wolf research center and seen Minnesota Gray Wolves do
the same thing. I've watched mother dogs and mother wolves give their
pups a little touch with open jaws when the pups step out of line.
Anyone who calls it torture just isn't as in touch with canine
behavior. Be it a wolf or dog who's out of line, you can't exactly
apply Adlerian psychology (let the behavior continue until it
extinguishes itself) or group therapy to a disgruntled bunch of Pekingese.

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Old April 2nd 08, 11:41 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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In article ,
Brian K wrote:
I've been to a wolf research center and seen Minnesota Gray Wolves do
the same thing.


You must be an expert!

I've watched mother dogs and mother wolves give their
pups a little touch with open jaws when the pups step out of line.
Anyone who calls it torture just isn't as in touch with canine
behavior.


I wouldn't call it "torture." I'd call it "unproductive."
And then, I'd call it "stupid."

BTW, I saw someone with your apparent level of dog training
expertise get bitten in the face by their dog. Some idiot
told them to alpha roll the dog any time the dog was
defiant, and these idiots thought that any time the dog
didn't do what it was asked it was defying them. The owners
being crappy dog trainers, the dog rarely knew what it was
being asked and therefore tended not to do it, and *boom*,
the dog would be flipped on its back. So eventually, I
figure the dog got tired of being physically attacked (and
that's what it is) at what it saw as random, and protected
itself. I think it would behoove you to be a little more
circumspect about handing out advice that's awful for dogs
(and their owners).

Also, when you see an adult dog knock another adult dog to
the ground and grab it with its jaws, the dog on the ground
is almost invariably struggling (there are probably cases
where it's not, but I've never seen one). This is known in
the vernacular as a "fight," and should be ended ASAP.

And this, BTW, is an ideal illustration of what I don't like
about Cesar Millan.
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Old April 2nd 08, 12:53 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Brian K wrote:

Another reason why it works is Cesar has taken the time to learn how
dogs communicate with each other.


That doesn't even make sense. Aieee! The technique--whatever it
is--should work independently of whether or not the person knows how
dogs communicate. Now, if you're trying to say that Cesar has
developed or refined certain techniques based on how he thinks dogs
communicate, that might make sense.

When Cesar holds a dog prone on the
ground with a hand about the throat, this is natural amongst canines.


I've seen dogs do that in play. When dogs do it in any other
context, as Melinda said, that's a fight and it means that it's
*long* past the point where the owner have stepped in and defused
the situation. And not by holding a dog upside down by the throat!

I've been to a wolf research center and seen Minnesota Gray Wolves do
the same thing. I've watched mother dogs and mother wolves give their
pups a little touch with open jaws when the pups step out of line.


A little touch by a mother on one of her pups is not at all the same
thing as alpha rolling a dog and holding it by the throat.

Anyone who calls it torture just isn't as in touch with canine
behavior.


Anyone who calls it torture doesn't have a good grasp on reality.
But that doesn't mean that it is okay, either. I think there are
much better ways to go about communicating with your dog.

Be it a wolf or dog who's out of line, you can't exactly
apply Adlerian psychology (let the behavior continue until it
extinguishes itself)


Somewhere between attacking the dog and letting the dog do whatever
the hell it pleases, there is a middle ground.

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Old April 2nd 08, 02:24 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"Rocky" wrote in message
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"sandman" spoke these words of wisdom
in :

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I'm not a big Cesar Millan fan, but it's not because of how he
manages his dogs.

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--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.


Care to elucidate?
Peter


 




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