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Dog Whisperer's Pit Bulls????
Just how much control would Caesar have over his PB's in a situation where 2
or 3 of his pack got into a fight? Instinct takes over in a pack and it would be a frenzy. The rest of the pack would NOT just stand around and watch quietly, at least that is what I've seen of pack behavior. That's why they call it a "pack", remember? Caesar is terrific, but I do not think he should take visitors into his pack of PB's as a demonstration. There's just no way he could break up a pack fight empty handed and protect his visitors. My only gripe with C. |
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"sandman" spoke these words of wisdom in
: Just how much control would Caesar have over his PB's in a situation where 2 or 3 of his pack got into a fight? Instinct takes over in a pack and it would be a frenzy. The rest of the pack would NOT just stand around and watch quietly, at least that is what I've seen of pack behavior. That's why they call it a "pack", remember? Caesar is terrific, but I do not think he should take visitors into his pack of PB's as a demonstration. There's just no way he could break up a pack fight empty handed and protect his visitors. My only gripe with C. His dogs obviously don't fight. He doesn't allow it, and he also doesn't do things that would initiate a fight |
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"sandman" spoke these words of wisdom
in : Just how much control would Caesar have over his PB's in a situation where 2 or 3 of his pack got into a fight? I'm not a big Cesar Millan fan, but it's not because of how he manages his dogs. The Secret to not having dog fights is to not allow situations which lead to them. Cesar appears to do this well. Please send me $5.00. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. |
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On 2008-04-01 14:25:52 -0400, Rocky said:
The Secret to not having dog fights is to not allow situations which lead to them. Cesar appears to do this well. Please send me $5.00. You'll never make it as the Dog Shouterer unless you charge more... |
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On Apr 1, 1:29 am, "sandman" wrote:
Just how much control would Caesar have over his PB's in a situation where 2 or 3 of his pack got into a fight? Instinct takes over in a pack and it would be a frenzy. The rest of the pack would NOT just stand around and watch quietly, at least that is what I've seen of pack behavior. That's why they call it a "pack", remember? Caesar is terrific, but I do not think he should take visitors into his pack of PB's as a demonstration. There's just no way he could break up a pack fight empty handed and protect his visitors. My only gripe with C. There IS an episode where there are about a dozen pits together in order for a client to face her fear of them. They did get in a scuffle, just as any group of dogs can, and Cesar immediately got them under control without any problem. Now, if it was someone else's pack? It may have been more difficult but his dogs know, love, and respect him. ;o) |
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montana wildhack said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior: On 2008-04-01 14:25:52 -0400, Rocky said: The Secret to not having dog fights is to not allow situations which lead to them. Cesar appears to do this well. Please send me $5.00. You'll never make it as the Dog Shouterer unless you charge more... I mean $500, though I may have meant $50,000. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. |
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Brian K wrote: I've been to a wolf research center and seen Minnesota Gray Wolves do the same thing. You must be an expert! I've watched mother dogs and mother wolves give their pups a little touch with open jaws when the pups step out of line. Anyone who calls it torture just isn't as in touch with canine behavior. I wouldn't call it "torture." I'd call it "unproductive." And then, I'd call it "stupid." BTW, I saw someone with your apparent level of dog training expertise get bitten in the face by their dog. Some idiot told them to alpha roll the dog any time the dog was defiant, and these idiots thought that any time the dog didn't do what it was asked it was defying them. The owners being crappy dog trainers, the dog rarely knew what it was being asked and therefore tended not to do it, and *boom*, the dog would be flipped on its back. So eventually, I figure the dog got tired of being physically attacked (and that's what it is) at what it saw as random, and protected itself. I think it would behoove you to be a little more circumspect about handing out advice that's awful for dogs (and their owners). Also, when you see an adult dog knock another adult dog to the ground and grab it with its jaws, the dog on the ground is almost invariably struggling (there are probably cases where it's not, but I've never seen one). This is known in the vernacular as a "fight," and should be ended ASAP. And this, BTW, is an ideal illustration of what I don't like about Cesar Millan. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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Brian K wrote:
Another reason why it works is Cesar has taken the time to learn how dogs communicate with each other. That doesn't even make sense. Aieee! The technique--whatever it is--should work independently of whether or not the person knows how dogs communicate. Now, if you're trying to say that Cesar has developed or refined certain techniques based on how he thinks dogs communicate, that might make sense. When Cesar holds a dog prone on the ground with a hand about the throat, this is natural amongst canines. I've seen dogs do that in play. When dogs do it in any other context, as Melinda said, that's a fight and it means that it's *long* past the point where the owner have stepped in and defused the situation. And not by holding a dog upside down by the throat! I've been to a wolf research center and seen Minnesota Gray Wolves do the same thing. I've watched mother dogs and mother wolves give their pups a little touch with open jaws when the pups step out of line. A little touch by a mother on one of her pups is not at all the same thing as alpha rolling a dog and holding it by the throat. Anyone who calls it torture just isn't as in touch with canine behavior. Anyone who calls it torture doesn't have a good grasp on reality. But that doesn't mean that it is okay, either. I think there are much better ways to go about communicating with your dog. Be it a wolf or dog who's out of line, you can't exactly apply Adlerian psychology (let the behavior continue until it extinguishes itself) Somewhere between attacking the dog and letting the dog do whatever the hell it pleases, there is a middle ground. -- Shelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) |
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"Rocky" wrote in message ... "sandman" spoke these words of wisdom in : snipped I'm not a big Cesar Millan fan, but it's not because of how he manages his dogs. snipped -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. Care to elucidate? Peter |
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