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Reading the Buster thread brought to mind the following:
Last week at playday, this woman who I had never met (and *professed* to know alot about agility, flyball, showing and of course horse racing) proceeded to tell me that Atty was fat and should lose 10 lbs. Hmmm that would make her a 52# labrador retriever.... She said based on her height, there is a formula that you can use to get the ideal weight. Yes, Atty's a petite little girl, but she'd have to shrink 2 inches to make a difference in jump height in flyball. She also said that if she lost those 10 pounds, she'd be shorter and we might be able to use lower jumps for her. ?????????????????????????????? Now, the question. She told me the name to google, but darned if I can remember. Partially because I was a little bewildered and partially because I never thought I'd look for the formula online....... But my curiosity has gotten the best of me. Have any of you ever heard of such a formula? Sue and (supposedly flabby) Atty |
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"Sue and Atty" wrote in message ... Reading the Buster thread brought to mind the following: Last week at playday, this woman who I had never met (and *professed* to know alot about agility, flyball, showing and of course horse racing) proceeded to tell me that Atty was fat and should lose 10 lbs. Hmmm that would make her a 52# labrador retriever.... She said based on her height, there is a formula that you can use to get the ideal weight. Yes, Atty's a petite little girl, but she'd have to shrink 2 inches to make a difference in jump height in flyball. She also said that if she lost those 10 pounds, she'd be shorter and we might be able to use lower jumps for her. ?????????????????????????????? Now, the question. She told me the name to google, but darned if I can remember. Partially because I was a little bewildered and partially because I never thought I'd look for the formula online....... But my curiosity has gotten the best of me. Have any of you ever heard of such a formula? Everything I found on www.dogpile.com was breed-specific. This seems to be a good overall chart: http://www.dogsindepth.com/dog_breed_size_chart.html You might try this weight slider that shows how your dog looks compared to ideal and degrees of overweight: http://slentrol.com/display.asp?coun...s=CN& sec=130 Paul and Heavy Muttley |
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Sue and Atty wrote:
Reading the Buster thread brought to mind the following: Last week at playday, this woman who I had never met (and *professed* to know alot about agility, flyball, showing and of course horse racing) proceeded to tell me that Atty was fat and should lose 10 lbs. Hmmm that would make her a 52# labrador retriever.... She said based on her height, there is a formula that you can use to get the ideal weight. Yes, Atty's a petite little girl, but she'd have to shrink 2 inches to make a difference in jump height in flyball. She also said that if she lost those 10 pounds, she'd be shorter and we might be able to use lower jumps for her. Only if you lost those ten pounds by chopping her paws off. ?????????????????????????????? Now, the question. She told me the name to google, but darned if I can remember. Partially because I was a little bewildered and partially because I never thought I'd look for the formula online....... But my curiosity has gotten the best of me. Have any of you ever heard of such a formula? No. And any formula that relied exclusively on height to calculate ideal weight without taking into account breed and build is flat out bullshit. Should a JRT weigh the same as a corgi? Should a rottweiler weigh the same as a greyhound? If you're serious about lowering Atty's jump height (and *I* would be because I think 14" is really, really hard on big dogs), run her in U-FLI tournaments. U-FLI's max jump height is 12 inches, compared to the NAFA max of 14". And the U-FLI method of calculating jump height by measuring the dog's foreleg gives a better approximation of a dog's actual jumping capacity when compared to the NAFA procedure of measuring at the withers and subtracting 4", especially in the case of achondroplastic breeds like corgis, dachshunds and bassets. Or, you could get your team a height dog, either by recruiting a new member with a short dog, or, as I did, by acquiring, raising and training a short dog myself. Talk about a labor of love... My BCs were competition-ready in 6 months and 4 months respectively. I started working with Cooper as soon as I got him at 12 weeks. No jumping, no box work, just runbacks and recalls, proofing him with dogs running in the opposite lanes. When the vet gave me the okay on his growth plates we started training in earnest, shaping that swimmer's turn, burning the pattern into his synapses. I will always be grateful for the wisdom and patience of the trainer who advised me to hold off rushing him into competition in spite of the continual pressure from teammates... Our club was starved for height dogs; we NEEDED him. This was back in the pre-UFLI days, when the NAFA maximum jump height was still a brutal 16". We were lucky. He grew up short, fast, driven and healthy. Training gave him a rock-solid swimmer's turn. And I will always remember the day when the light bulb flipped on over his head.... "Oh! It's a RACE!" And it took TWO YEARS. Cooper's a frustrating dog to run because he only gives what he has to in order to win. He runs anchor and if he's got a big lead on the other team's #4 dog, he comes back over the jumps skippity-hop, lollygagging along, turning in a 5.3, a 5.5. But if the other team has a lead on us, it's all I can do to hang onto him until we can pass our third dog safely. I've sent him into the lane in heart-stoppingly tight passes, literally throwing him under the feet of the outbound dog while the other team's anchor dog is almost at the box, and have seen him dig deep and run down his opponent, turning a 4.6 split in the process. I'll be the first to admit that training a JRT is not for the faint of heart, especially not for a life-long BC owner. But he's not only given my team a height dog worth his weight in gold, he's also brought an amazing amount of color and adventure into my life. |
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"Paul E. Schoen" wrote in message ... You might try this weight slider that shows how your dog looks compared to ideal and degrees of overweight: http://slentrol.com/display.asp?coun...s=CN& sec=130 Paul and Heavy Muttley Thanks Paul. This is a cool tool. According to the slider, the majority of labs I see in the show ring are overweight. I'd like to be able to move the slider to the other end of the spectrum, too, and see what a too thin dog looks like. Sue and Atty |
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"Kathleen" wrote in message ... No. And any formula that relied exclusively on height to calculate ideal weight without taking into account breed and build is flat out bullshit. Should a JRT weigh the same as a corgi? Should a rottweiler weigh the same as a greyhound? If you're serious about lowering Atty's jump height (and *I* would be because I think 14" is really, really hard on big dogs), run her in U-FLI tournaments. U-FLI's max jump height is 12 inches, compared to the NAFA max of 14". And the U-FLI method of calculating jump height by measuring the dog's foreleg gives a better approximation of a dog's actual jumping capacity when compared to the NAFA procedure of measuring at the withers and subtracting 4", especially in the case of achondroplastic breeds like corgis, dachshunds and bassets. Or, you could get your team a height dog, either by recruiting a new member with a short dog, or, as I did, by acquiring, raising and training a short dog myself. It seemed like an odd thing (the formula), hence my bewilderment, I think. About the flyball jump height. I agree. 14" is too high for her. Yes, she *can* do it, but I don't think she *should*. Atty turned 7 last week, so we are able to get her on a veteran team. We also have a newbie flyball class going, with the push on bringing in a short dog. I'm not so into the sport that I would get myself a shorter dog just so I could play. In fact, we were talked into the January competetion (our whole team's first), which is when she started refusing to jump the 14" jumps. She'd jump down fine, but run beside back. Quick trip to the vet showed some arthritis. So these days, we play with the starting dogs who are all jumping with no more than 8" jumps. She likes those. Last week they snuck a 10" set in, and she jumped down and ran back beside. We were talking about U-FLI at flyball last week. Can you do both NAFA and U-FLI? I don't know anything about it. We are having a hard time finding any trials close to us to start with. Most of us are weekend local warriors. No desire to travel 3 states over to run flyball. We're going to try to go to the Cleveland area in July, but only for the 1 day, not all 3 days. Sue and Atty |
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Sue and Atty wrote:
We were talking about U-FLI at flyball last week. Can you do both NAFA and U-FLI? Sure. My club and every active dog in it is dual-registered. Another option is to run in Open Class in NAFA or Pick-Up in U-FLI, which might let you use a borrowed height dog without anybody running up against the 90 day rule on swapping teams. |
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"Sue and Atty" spoke these words of wisdom in
: "Paul E. Schoen" wrote in message ... You might try this weight slider that shows how your dog looks compared to ideal and degrees of overweight: http://slentrol.com/display.asp?coun...pecies=CN& se c=130 Paul and Heavy Muttley Thanks Paul. This is a cool tool. According to the slider, the majority of labs I see in the show ring are overweight. I'd like to be able to move the slider to the other end of the spectrum, too, and see what a too thin dog looks like. Sue and Atty Me too. I think what they show as Ideal is too fat. |
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"Sue and Atty" wrote in message
... Reading the Buster thread brought to mind the following: Last week at playday, this woman who I had never met (and *professed* to know alot about agility, flyball, showing and of course horse racing) proceeded to tell me that Atty was fat and should lose 10 lbs. Hmmm that would make her a 52# labrador retriever.... She said based on her height, there is a formula that you can use to get the ideal weight. Yes, Atty's a petite little girl, but she'd have to shrink 2 inches to make a difference in jump height in flyball. She also said that if she lost those 10 pounds, she'd be shorter and we might be able to use lower jumps for her. ?????????????????????????????? Now, the question. She told me the name to google, but darned if I can remember. Partially because I was a little bewildered and partially because I never thought I'd look for the formula online....... But my curiosity has gotten the best of me. Have any of you ever heard of such a formula? Sue and (supposedly flabby) Atty How the hell does dieting make you shorter? If the other assertions match that one you might as well forget it. Cj |
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"Cj" said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
How the hell does dieting make you shorter? Sometimes a quarter of an inch can make a difference when it comes to height cutoffs. For example, IME, overweight herding breed dogs often get a clump'o'fat at their whithers, right where they're measured. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. |
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