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Old September 17th 08, 09:31 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Well, it was a bit higher today, but that is attributed to in-house
rather than outside lab. In other words, no real change. Her urine SG
OTOH, was lower than desirable, at 1.023.

I talked about food and my vet wants her on a low protein, high water
food. She wants me to switch to Purina NF. I guess I will do this, as
I don't know of any 14% protein foods off hand, so I'm not sure what
alternatives there may be. I think Lucy is a dog who can eat anything
and not react adversely, so that is a good thing. I'll be returning the
EVO I bought today! Oh well.

If anyone knows of some low protein food (I'm off to Google), let me
know about it?!?

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Old September 17th 08, 10:11 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"Janet Boss" wrote in message:

Well, it was a bit higher today, but that is attributed to in-house
rather than outside lab. In other words, no real change.


Was this one a fasting? If not, I'd honestly have it re-run.

Her urine SG
OTOH, was lower than desirable, at 1.023.


Normal limit on the low end is 1.025? If she had had water before the test,
that could significantly alter the value. Having gone through this with
Khan, I can tell you that if you want an honest answer on whether she's
having trouble concentrating her urine, you'll need to have this one re-run
with an 8 hour water deprivation (withhold water overnight).

If anyone knows of some low protein food (I'm off to Google), let me
know about it?!?


You're unlikely to find any commercial foods other than K/D type stuff that
is so low in protein. I believe that buglady has posted previously on
rpd.health about fallacies surrounding high protein diets and kidney
problems, and studies showing the importance of good quality protein in dogs
with kidney issues (which I'm not convinced she has). You may also want to
check the K9KidneyDiet group on Yahoo! and if you're amenable to the home
cooked idea at all, look into the Strombeck book.

Suja


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Old September 17th 08, 10:14 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Was this one a fasting? If not, I'd honestly have it re-run.


Nope - not fasting. She had just eaten and had water as well before the
urine sample, and the blood sample was taken a little over 3 hours
later. I'm feeling kind of stupid now, because I went through this
stuff with Rudy's urinary issues just months ago, and should have asked
if they needed a fasting bloodwork or just done it. Oh well, I'll spend
the money to have it done again. While I don't mind moving her to a
low(er) protein food than EVO, I'm not sure we need to make this radical
change given that her eating and drinking may have affected the tests.

I think I'm not going to rush into anything quite yet, but will return
her EVO for now, before I open the bag. The CA Natural canned looks
pretty low protein, and I may just try that until we get another round
of answers.

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Old September 17th 08, 10:32 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"Janet Boss" wrote in message:

Nope - not fasting.


ARRRGGGG!!! I think that the vet owes you one. Mine won't run certain
tests if the dogs aren't fasted previously. She says that it is general
good practice (unless your dog has medical issues), since there can be other
issues associated with testing after eating as well (If memory serves, the
fats in the food can interfere with the tests too).

While I don't mind moving her to a
low(er) protein food than EVO, I'm not sure we need to make this radical


I'm with you on that.

The CA Natural canned looks
pretty low protein, and I may just try that until we get another round
of answers.


Because of the water content, most canned foods tend would likely be low
protein. I checked my stash - Wellness, Pinnacle, Before Grain, Evo,
Merrick, etc. and they're all between 6 and 9% (Min) for protein.

Suja


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Old September 17th 08, 10:52 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Because of the water content, most canned foods tend would likely be low
protein. I checked my stash - Wellness, Pinnacle, Before Grain, Evo,
Merrick, etc. and they're all between 6 and 9% (Min) for protein.


I just fed her a Merrick canned food which was 8% (min) . I don't mind
spending more money for canned food if it works out better for her.
Storage is less convenient, but I went canned for the cat(s) a few years
ago, so it's not like I don't do my part for filling the recycling bin!

My first lab mix (1973-1988) was on K/D (canned and dry mixed) the last
few years of his life, and it didn't seem to do him any harm! I realize
that at 12, I shouldn't be surprised to see some slight changes in Lucy,
but they may not really exist either.

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Old September 17th 08, 10:53 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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what was her creatinine?


1.2

I have no problem with home cooking either.

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Old September 17th 08, 11:10 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"Janet Boss" wrote in message:

I have no problem with home cooking either.


You say that now, but wait till you're staring pork liver in all it's slimy,
stinky goodness!

Suja


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Old September 17th 08, 11:10 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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You say that now, but wait till you're staring pork liver in all it's slimy,
stinky goodness!


ok - you've got me there.

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