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Old November 28th 08, 08:23 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health,alt.med.veterinary
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A team at Purdue University School of Veterinary Medicine conducted
several studies (1,2) to determine if vaccines can cause changes in the
immune system of dogs that might lead to life-threatening
immune-mediated diseases. They obviously conducted this research because
concern already existed. It was sponsored by the Haywood Foundation
which itself was looking for evidence that such changes in the human
immune system might also be vaccine induced. It found the evidence.

The vaccinated, but not the non-vaccinated, dogs in the Purdue
studies developed autoantibodies to many of their own biochemicals,
including fibronectin, laminin, DNA, albumin, cytochrome C, cardiolipin
and collagen.

This means that the vaccinated dogs -- ”but not the non-vaccinated
dogs”-- were attacking their own fibronectin, which is involved in
tissue repair, cell multiplication and growth, and differentiation
between tissues and organs in a living organism.

The vaccinated Purdue dogs also developed autoantibodies to
laminin, which is involved in many cellular activities including the
adhesion, spreading, differentiation, proliferation and movement of
cells. Vaccines thus appear to be capable of removing the natural
intelligence of cells.

Autoantibodies to cardiolipin are frequently found in patients with
the serious disease systemic lupus erythematosus and also in individuals
with other autoimmune diseases. The presence of elevated
anti-cardiolipin antibodies is significantly associated with clots
within the heart or blood vessels, in poor blood clotting, haemorrhage,
bleeding into the skin, foetal loss and neurological conditions.

The Purdue studies also found that vaccinated dogs were developing
autoantibodies to their own collagen. About one quarter of all the
protein in the body is collagen. Collagen provides structure to our
bodies, protecting and supporting the softer tissues and connecting them
with the skeleton. It is no wonder that Canine Health Concern's 1997
study of 4,000 dogs showed a high number of dogs developing mobility
problems shortly after they were vaccinated (noted in my 1997 book, What
Vets Don't Tell You About Vaccines).

Perhaps most worryingly, the Purdue studies found that the
vaccinated dogs had developed autoantibodies to their own DNA. Did the
alarm bells sound? Did the scientific community call a halt to the
vaccination program? No. Instead, they stuck their fingers in the air,
saying more research is needed to ascertain whether vaccines can cause
genetic damage. Meanwhile, the study dogs were found good homes, but no
long-term follow-up has been conducted. At around the same time, the
American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) Vaccine-Associated Feline
Sarcoma Task Force initiated several studies to find out why 160,000
cats each year in the USA develop terminal cancer at their vaccine
injection sites.(3) The fact that cats can get vaccine-induced cancer
has been acknowledged by veterinary bodies around the world, and even
the British Government acknowledged it through its Working Group charged
with the task of looking into canine and feline vaccines(4) following
pressure from Canine Health Concern. What do you imagine was the advice
of the AVMA Task Force, veterinary bodies and governments? "Carry on
vaccinating until
we find out why vaccines are killing cats, and which cats are most
likely to die."

In America, in an attempt to mitigate the problem, they're
vaccinating cats in the tail or leg so they can amputate when cancer
appears. Great advice if it's not your cat amongst the hundreds of
thousands on the "oops" list.

But other species are okay - right? Wrong. In August 2003, the
Journal of Veterinary Medicine carried an Italian study which showed
that dogs also develop vaccine-induced cancers at their injection
sites.(5) We already know that vaccine-site cancer is a possible sequel
to human vaccines, too, since the Salk polio vaccine was said to carry a
monkey retrovirus (from cultivating the vaccine on monkey organs) that
produces inheritable cancer. The monkey retrovirus SV40 keeps turning up
in human cancer sites.

It is also widely acknowledged that vaccines can cause a
fast-acting, usually fatal, disease called autoimmune haemolytic anaemia
(AIHA). Without treatment, and frequently with treatment, individuals
can die in agony within a matter of days. Merck, itself a multinational
vaccine manufacturer, states in The Merck Manual of Diagnosis and
Therapy that autoimmune haemolytic anaemia may be caused by modified
live-virus vaccines, as do Tizard's Veterinary Immunology (4th edition)
and the Journal of Veterinary Internal Medicine.(6) The British
Government's Working Group, despite being staffed by vaccine-industry
consultants who say they are independent, also acknowledged this fact.
However, no one warns the pet owners before their animals are subjected
to an unnecessary booster, and very few owners are told why after their
pets die of AIHA.

A Wide Range of Vaccine-induced Diseases

We also found some worrying correlations between vaccine events and
the onset of arthritis in our 1997 survey. Our concerns were compounded
by research in the human field.

The New England Journal of Medicine, for example, reported that it
is possible to isolate the rubella virus from affected joints in
children vaccinated against rubella. It also told of the isolation of
viruses from the peripheral blood of women with prolonged arthritis
following vaccination.(7)

Then, in 2000, CHC's findings were confirmed by research which
showed that polyarthritis and other diseases like amyloidosis, which
affects organs in dogs, were linked to the combined vaccine given to
dogs.(8) There is a huge body of research, despite the paucity of
funding from the vaccine industry, to confirm that vaccines can cause a
wide range of brain and central nervous system damage. Merck itself
states in its Manual that vaccines (i.e., its own products) can cause
encephalitis: brain inflammation/damage. In some cases, encephalitis
involves lesions in the brain and throughout the central nervous system.
Merck states that "examples are the encephalitides following measles,
chickenpox, rubella, smallpox vaccination, vaccinia, and many other less
well defined viral infections".

When the dog owners who took part in the CHC survey reported that
their dogs developed short attention spans, 73.1% of the dogs did so
within three months of a vaccine event. The same percentage of dogs was
diagnosed with epilepsy within three months of a shot (but usually
within days). We also found that 72.5% of dogs that were considered by
their owners to be nervous and of a worrying disposition, first
exhibited these traits within the three-month post-vaccination period.

I would like to add for the sake of Oliver, my friend who suffered
from paralysed rear legs and death shortly after a vaccine shot, that
"paresis" is listed in Merck's Manual as a symptom of encephalitis. This
is defined as muscular weakness of a neural (brain) origin which
involves partial or incomplete paralysis, resulting from lesions at any
level of the descending pathway from the brain. Hind limb paralysis is
one of the potential consequences. Encephalitis, incidentally, is a
disease that can manifest across the scale from mild to severe and can
also cause sudden death.

Organ failure must also be suspected when it occurs shortly after a
vaccine event. Dr Larry Glickman, who spearheaded the Purdue research
into post-vaccination biochemical changes in dogs, wrote in a letter to
Cavalier Spaniel breeder Bet Hargreaves:

"Our ongoing studies of dogs show that following routine
vaccination, there is a significant rise in the level of antibodies dogs
produce against their own tissues. Some of these antibodies have been
shown to target the thyroid gland, connective tissue such as that found
in the valves of the heart, red blood cells, DNA, etc. I do believe that
the heart conditions in Cavalier King Charles Spaniels could be the end
result of repeated immunisations by vaccines containing tissue culture
contaminants that cause a progressive immune response directed at
connective tissue in the heart valves. The clinical manifestations would
be more pronounced in dogs that have a genetic predisposition [although]
the findings should be generally applicable to all dogs regardless of
their breed."


I must mention here that Dr Glickman believes that vaccines are a
necessary evil, but that safer vaccines need to be developed.

Meanwhile, please join the queue to place your dog, cat, horse and
child on the Russian roulette wheel because a scientist says you should.

Vaccines Stimulate an Inflammatory Response

The word "allergy" is synonymous with "sensitivity" and
"inflammation". It should, by rights, also be synonymous with the word
"vaccination". This is what vaccines do: they sensitise (render
allergic)an individual in the process of forcing them to develop
antibodies to fight a disease threat. In other words, as is acknowledged
and accepted, as part of the vaccine process the body will respond with
inflammation. This may be apparently temporary or it may be longstanding.

Holistic doctors and veterinarians have known this for at least 100
years.
They talk about a wide range of inflammatory or "-itis" diseases
which arise shortly after a vaccine event. Vaccines, in fact, plunge
many individuals into an allergic state. Again, this is a disorder that
ranges from mild all the way through to the suddenly fatal. Anaphylactic
shock is the culmination: it's where an individual has a massive
allergic reaction to a vaccine and will die within minutes if adrenaline
or its equivalent is not administered.

There are some individuals who are genetically not well placed to
withstand the vaccine challenge. These are the people (and animals are
"people", too) who have inherited faulty B and T cell function. B and T
cells are components within the immune system which identify foreign
invaders and destroy them, and hold the invader in memory so that they
cannot cause future harm. However, where inflammatory responses are
concerned, the immune system overreacts and causes unwanted effects such
as allergies and other
inflammatory conditions.

Merck warns in its Manual that patients with, or from families
with, B and/or T cell immunodeficiencies should not receive live-virus
vaccines due to the risk of severe or fatal infection. Elsewhere, it
lists features of B and T cell immunodeficiencies as food allergies,
inhalant allergies, eczema, dermatitis, neurological deterioration and
heart disease. To translate, people with these conditions can die if
they receive live-virus vaccines. Their immune systems are simply not
competent enough to guarantee a healthy reaction to the viral assault
from modified live-virus vaccines.

Modified live-virus (MLV) vaccines replicate in the patient until
an immune response is provoked. If a defence isn't stimulated, then the
vaccine continues to replicate until it gives the patient the very
disease it was intending to prevent.

Alternatively, a deranged immune response will lead to inflammatory
conditions such as arthritis, pancreatitis, colitis, encephalitis and
any number of autoimmune diseases such as cancer and leukaemia, where
the body attacks its own cells.

A new theory, stumbled upon by Open University student Gary Smith,
explains what holistic practitioners have been saying for a very long
time. Here is what a few of the holistic vets have said in relation to
their patients:

Dr Jean Dodds: "Many veterinarians trace the present problems with
allergic and immunologic diseases to the introduction of MLV
vaccines..." (9)

Christina Chambreau, DVM: "Routine vaccinations are probably the
worst thing that we do for our animals. They cause all types of
illnesses, but not directly to where we would relate them definitely to
be caused by the vaccine." (10)

Martin Goldstein, DVM: "I think that vaccines...are leading killers
of dogs and cats in America today."

Dr Charles E. Loops, DVM: "Homoeopathic veterinarians and other
holistic practitioners have maintained for some time that vaccinations
do more harm than they provide benefits." (12)

Mike Kohn, DVM: "In response to this [vaccine] violation, there
have been increased autoimmune diseases (allergies being one component),
epilepsy, neoplasia [tumours], as well as behavioural problems in small
animals." (13)

A Theory on Inflammation

Gary Smith explains what observant healthcare practitioners have
been saying for a very long time, but perhaps they've not understood why
their observations led them to say it. His theory, incidentally, is
causing a huge stir within the inner scientific sanctum. Some believe
that his theory could lead to a cure for many diseases including cancer.
For me, it explains why the vaccine process is inherently questionable.

Gary was learning about inflammation as part of his studies when he
struck upon a theory so extraordinary that it could have implications
for the treatment of almost every inflammatory disease -- including
Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, rheumatoid arthritis and even HIV and AIDS.

Gary's theory questions the received wisdom that when a person gets
ill, the inflammation that occurs around the infected area helps it to
heal. He claims that, in reality, inflammation prevents the body from
recognising a foreign substance and therefore serves as a hiding place
for invaders. The inflammation occurs when at-risk cells produce
receptors called All (known as angiotensin II type I receptors). He says
that while At1 has a balancing receptor, At2, which is supposed to
switch off the inflammation, in most diseases this does not happen.

"Cancer has been described as the wound that never heals," he says.
"All successful cancers are surrounded by inflammation. Commonly this is
thought to be the body's reaction to try to fight the cancer, but this
is not the case.

"The inflammation is not the body trying to fight the infection. It
is actually the virus or bacteria deliberately causing inflammation in
order to hide from the immune system [author's emphasis]." (14)

If Gary is right, then the inflammatory process so commonly
stimulated by vaccines is not, as hitherto assumed, a necessarily
acceptable sign. Instead, it could be a sign that the viral or bacterial
component, or the adjuvant (which, containing foreign protein, is seen
as an invader by the immune system), in the vaccine is winning by stealth.

If Gary is correct in believing that the inflammatory response is
not protective but a sign that invasion is taking place under cover of
darkness, vaccines are certainly not the friends we thought they were.
They are undercover assassins working on behalf of the enemy, and vets
and medical doctors are unwittingly acting as collaborators. Worse, we
animal guardians and parents are actually paying doctors and vets to
unwittingly betray our loved ones.

Potentially, vaccines are the stealth bomb of the medical world.
They are used to catapult invaders inside the castle walls where they
can wreak havoc, with none of us any the wiser. So rather than
experiencing frank viral diseases such as the 'flu, measles, mumps and
rubella (and, in the case of dogs, parvovirus and distemper), we are
allowing the viruses to win anyway - but with cancer, leukaemia and
other inflammatory or autoimmune (self-attacking) diseases taking their
place.

The Final Insult

All 27 veterinary schools in North America have changed their
protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats along the following lines; (15)
however, vets in practice are reluctant to listen to these changed
protocols and official veterinary bodies in the UK and other countries
are ignoring the following facts.

Dogs' and cats' immune systems mature fully at six months. If
modified live-virus vaccine is giver after six months of age, it
produces immunity, which is good for the life of the pet. If another MLV
vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine
neutralise the antigens of the second vaccine and there is little or no
effect. The litre is no "boosted", nor are more memory cells induced.

Not only are annual boosters unnecessary, but they subject the pet
to potential risks such as allergic reactions and immune-mediated
haemolytic anaemia.

In plain language, veterinary schools in America, plus the American
Veterinary Medical Association, have looked at studies to show how long
vaccines last and they have concluded and announced that annual
vaccination is unnecessary.(16-19)

Further, they have acknowledged that vaccines are not without harm.
Dr Ron Schultz, head of pathobiology at Wisconsin University and a
leading light in this field, has been saying this politely to his
veterinary colleagues since the 1980s. I've been saying it for the past
12 years. But change is so long in coming and, in the meantime, hundreds
of thousands of animals are dying every year - unnecessarily.

The good news is that thousands of animal lovers (but not enough)
have heard what we've been saying. Canine Health Concern members around
the world use real food as Nature's supreme disease preventative,
eschewing processed pet food, and minimise the vaccine risk. Some of us,
myself included, have chosen not to vaccinate our pets at all. Our
reward is healthy and long-lived dogs.

It has taken but one paragraph to tell you the good and simple
news. The gratitude I feel each day, when I embrace my healthy dogs,
stretches from the centre of the Earth to the Universe and beyond.

About the Author:

Catherine O'Driscoll runs Canine Health Concern which campaigns
and also delivers an educational program, the Foundation in Canine
Healthcare. She is author of Shock to the System (2005; see review this
issue), the best-selling book What Vets Don't Tell You About Vaccines
(1997, 1998), and Who Killed the Darling Buds of May? (1997; reviewed in
NEXUS 4/04).
She lives in Scotland with her partner, Rob Ellis, and three
Golden Retrievers, named Edward, Daniel and Gwinnie, and she lectures on
canine health around the world.

For more information, contact Catherine O'Driscoll at Canine
Health Concern, PO Box 7533, Perth PH2 1AD, Scotland, UK, email
, website http://www.canine-health-concern.org.uk.
Shock to the System is available in the UK from CHC, and
worldwide from Dogwise at http://www.dogwise.com.

Endnotes
1. "Effects of Vaccination on the Endocrine and Immune Systems of
Dogs, Phase II", Purdue University, November 1,1999, at
http://www.homestead.com/vonhapsburg...nvaccines.html.

2. See www.vet.purdue.edu/epi/gdhstudy.htm.

3. See http://www.avma.org/vafstf/default.asp.

4. Veterinary Products Committee (VPC) Working Group on Feline and
Canine Vaccination, DEFRA, May 2001.

5. JVM Series A 50(6):286-291, August 2003.

6. Duval, D. and Giger,U. (1996). "Vaccine-Associated
Immune-Mediated Hemolytic Anemia in the Dog", Journal of Veterinary
Internal Medicine 10:290-295.

7. New England Journal of Medicine, vol.313,1985.
See also Clin Exp Rheumatol 20(6):767-71, Nov-Dec 2002.

8. Am Coll Vet Intern Med 14:381,2000.

9. Dodds, Jean W.,DVM, "Immune System and Disease Resistance", at
http://www.critterchat.net/immune.htm.

10. Wolf Clan magazine, April/May 1995.

11. Goldstein, Martin, The Nature of Animal Healing, Borzoi/Alfred
A. Knopf, Inc., 1999.

12. Wolf Clan magazine, op. cit.

13. ibid.

14. Journal of Inflammation 1:3,2004, at
http://www.journal-inflammation.com content/1/1/3.

15. Klingborg, D.J., Hustead, D.R. and Curry-Galvin, E. et al.,
"AVMA Council on Biologic and Therapeutic Agents' report on cat and dog
vaccines", Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association
221(10):1401-1407, November 15,2002,
http://www.avma.org/policies/vaccination.htm.

16. ibid.

17. Schultz, R.D., "Current and future canine and feline
vaccination programs", Vet Med 93:233-254,1998.

18. Schultz, R.D., Ford, R.B., Olsen, J. and Scott, P., "Titer
testing and vaccination: a new look at traditional practices", Vet Med
97:1-13, 2002 (insert).

19. Twark, L. and Dodds, W.J., "Clinical application of serum
parvovirus and distemper virus antibody liters for determining
revaccination strategies in healthy dogs", J Am Vet Med Assoc
217:1021-1024,2000.

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Old November 29th 08, 06:52 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health,alt.med.veterinary
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Heading to bed again, but I thought I'd have a quick look at some of your
references.


Endnotes
1. "Effects of Vaccination on the Endocrine and Immune Systems of
Dogs, Phase II", Purdue University, November 1,1999, at
http://www.homestead.com/vonhapsburg...nvaccines.html.


This one was quite difficult to track down the initial source. I found many
people citing it, but not the original article that was being cited (which
is disturbing, because it indicates that you didn't read the initial
sources.

Undeterred I took a look at the "Wayback Machine".
http://web.archive.org/web/200802032...i/gdhstudy.htm .
I don't know about you, but I have some *serious* problems with their
methodology, and while it might be 'worthy of further investigation', the
methods could very easily lead to a strong self selection bias.

The 'study' was essentially a survey of self selected great dane owners. To
understand why this could turn in to a major problem, you only have to
imagine who is going to answer the questionnaire. If I've never/rarely
vaccinated, and my dog is healthy I'd be much more likely to submit my dog
for testing. Similarly, if I think vaccines are to blame for my dog's
illness, I'm going to be much more likely to request to be part of a study
involving the links between vaccines and autoimmune problems.


2. See www.vet.purdue.edu/epi/gdhstudy.htm.


Dead link. (note this is the original paper referred to in (1)

3. See http://www.avma.org/vafstf/default.asp.

Very interesting page. I intend to come back to it when I have more time to
look at it. One part that I think is *very* important to point out is:

"...Such experiments, however, are unlikely to be performed because of the
large number of cats that would be required to detect a significant
difference between the groups with respect to a very infrequent event with
an estimated incidence of one in 1,000 to one in 10,000 cats".

This is a very rare event we're looking for. I'm not saying its not real.
There seems to be fairly unanimous agreement between the vets there that
there is an increased risk of sarcomas in cats in response to vaccines. What
to do about it though? Is the answer to not vaccinate? What then are the
odds of getting something that is going to kill the cat? I'm guessing you're
putting yourself in a higher risk group by not vaccinating than by
vaccinating (especially if everyone around starts doing the same thing).
There is some speculation in the article that as the incidence of FeLV
decreases with age one might be best to vaccinate early, and then not again
(ever) with the knowledge that we may be at risk of FeLV, but that that risk
might (potentially) outweigh that of the injection site sarcoma (although
this was speculation on the part of the participant)

Too late to look over the rest of your references, time for bed.

Dale

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Old December 18th 08, 04:11 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health,alt.med.veterinary
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Dale Atkin wrote:


3. See http://www.avma.org/vafstf/default.asp.

Very interesting page. I intend to come back to it when I have more time
to look at it. One part that I think is *very* important to point out is:

"...Such experiments, however, are unlikely to be performed because of
the large number of cats that would be required to detect a significant
difference between the groups with respect to a very infrequent event
with an estimated incidence of one in 1,000 to one in 10,000 cats".

This is a very rare event we're looking for. I'm not saying its not
real. There seems to be fairly unanimous agreement between the vets
there that there is an increased risk of sarcomas in cats in response to
vaccines. What to do about it though? Is the answer to not vaccinate?
What then are the odds of getting something that is going to kill the
cat? I'm guessing you're putting yourself in a higher risk group by not
vaccinating than by vaccinating (especially if everyone around starts
doing the same thing).


Actually, by not vaccinating, not exposing a pet to chemicals like heart
worm meds, flea killers, environmental chemicals and by feeding a
species appropriate diet you increase the health immensely. Our pets,
because they are superior health wise, are naturally better able to
fight off things that kill kibble fed dogs that are vaccinated
repeatedly and exposed to toxins on a regular basis.
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Old December 18th 08, 01:54 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health,alt.med.veterinary
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"chardonnay9" wrote in message
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Our pets, because they are superior health wise,


You have no way of knowing how sick your pets are, given that you do not
take them to the vet.

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Old December 18th 08, 02:00 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health,alt.med.veterinary
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In article ,
Shelly wrote:
You have no way of knowing how sick your pets are, given that you do not
take them to the vet.


Well, obviously she knows she's got a deaf dog, although
that's not "sick" and she might not recognize that the
problem was malnutrition.
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Old December 18th 08, 02:23 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health,alt.med.veterinary
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"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
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Well, obviously she knows she's got a deaf dog, although
that's not "sick" and she might not recognize that the
problem was malnutrition.


Deaf *and* blind? Poor dog!

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Old December 18th 08, 02:25 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health,alt.med.veterinary
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In article ,
Shelly wrote:
Deaf *and* blind? Poor dog!


Whoops - thinko on my part, the dog's just blind.
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Old December 18th 08, 02:34 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health,alt.med.veterinary
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"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Shelly wrote:
Deaf *and* blind? Poor dog!


Whoops - thinko on my part, the dog's just blind.


Ah! I bet it *is* riddled with HW, though.

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Old December 18th 08, 05:51 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health,alt.med.veterinary
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Shelly wrote:

"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Shelly wrote:
Deaf *and* blind? Poor dog!


Whoops - thinko on my part, the dog's just blind.


Ah! I bet it *is* riddled with HW, though.


There is no heartworm in my house (and none are blind either).

Poor girl, you are used to kibble fed dogs that are not as able to fight
off disease like a raw fed dog can and does. Parasites attack those who
are not in the best of health. That is why I don't worry.

And vets overestimate the reality of heartworms and other conditions to
scare you into making appointments and making them money. They insure
that happens by pushing kibble on you, thereby keeping their clients in
a constant state of ill health so they can profit off the very lives of
pets.

That is so sad!
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Old December 18th 08, 05:58 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health,alt.med.veterinary
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"chardonnay9" wrote in message
m...

There is no heartworm in my house (and none are blind either).


You have no idea whether or not your dogs have heartworm, since you
don't take them to the vet.

And vets overestimate the reality of heartworms


Overestimate the reality? What does that *mean*? Anyway, I've had a
dog with HW, so it's something I take seriously. I have my dog tested
regularly for it, so unlike you, I actually *know* that she does not
have HW.

and other conditions to scare you into making appointments and making
them money.


Untrue. My vet does not require yearly testing for HW, if the dog is on
preventative year-round. And no, I don't have to buy the preventative
from them.

They insure that happens by pushing kibble on you, thereby keeping
their clients in a constant state of ill health so they can profit off
the very lives of pets.


I've never had a vet "push" kibble on me. In fact, my experience (on
record here) has been that vets do not discuss food, period. HTH!

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