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Old December 1st 08, 05:12 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
SteveB
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How sensitive of a thing is this with dogs?

I have a Pembroke Welsh Corgi. He's a narly little ****, but I love him.
Since I found out from the vet that us sharing a pound of cooked bacon
wasn't good for him, I cut it out. But my wife just has to add bacon and
drippings and all sorts of things to win favor with the dogs or get them to
eat their food.

I can tell he has episodes with not feeling good, and just aging. I keep
telling her, but she keeps sneaking around me. Then complains because I put
too much canned food into their meals, which is Pedigree canned and kibble.

I don't want to get anal or expensive about feeding them.

What's the alternatives?

Steve

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Old December 1st 08, 03:39 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
chardonnay9
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SteveB wrote:
How sensitive of a thing is this with dogs?

I have a Pembroke Welsh Corgi. He's a narly little ****, but I love him.
Since I found out from the vet that us sharing a pound of cooked bacon
wasn't good for him, I cut it out. But my wife just has to add bacon and
drippings and all sorts of things to win favor with the dogs or get them to
eat their food.

I can tell he has episodes with not feeling good, and just aging. I keep
telling her, but she keeps sneaking around me. Then complains because I put
too much canned food into their meals, which is Pedigree canned and kibble.

I don't want to get anal or expensive about feeding them.

What's the alternatives?

Steve


Real meat, bones and organ meat. It's not expensive unless you make it so.

Dump the kibble! You will see a difference in energy level in three days.
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Old December 1st 08, 03:40 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Melinda Shore
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Default Pancreatitis

In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
Dump the kibble! You will see a difference in energy level in three days.


He'd see a difference in energy level, coat quality, and
other indicators if he upgraded to a better kibble, as
well. You're confusing an awful lot of factors.
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Old December 1st 08, 04:01 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
chardonnay9
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Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
Dump the kibble! You will see a difference in energy level in three days.


He'd see a difference in energy level, coat quality, and
other indicators if he upgraded to a better kibble, as
well. You're confusing an awful lot of factors.


A better kibble is better but not optimal. Why not cut through all those
factors and feed the species appropriate diet from the start?
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Old December 1st 08, 04:10 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Melinda Shore
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In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
A better kibble is better but not optimal. Why not cut through all those
factors and feed the species appropriate diet from the start?


??? Kibble is species-appropriate. A good kibble will
provide a nutritionally complete diet, while the quality of
a raw diet is entirely dependent on the skill of the person
preparing it. Frankly given what you've demonstrated in
the way of nutritional expertise doesn't bode well for your
dog.

But the point remains: when someone feeds crappy food,
feeding a less crappy food produces better results. Pretty
much anything is a step up from Pedigree, so stating that
you'll see better results if you switch to raw doesn't
really say very much. You're making a very common error,
here.
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Old December 1st 08, 04:15 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
chardonnay9
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Melinda Shore wrote:

??? Kibble is species-appropriate.


No it's not, never has been, never will be. I think you need a lesson on
a dog's anatomy. Here's an easy one. Look at the teeth in your dog's
mouth. Those belong to a carnivore. They are made for ripping up meat
and chewing through bone.

Just because 6 dogs can live 6 months on a diet makes it a legal dog
food. That's bullshit.

And it's definitely cheaper than the high end kibbles.
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Old December 1st 08, 04:20 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Melinda Shore
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In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
Melinda Shore wrote:
??? Kibble is species-appropriate.

No it's not, never has been, never will be.


Of course it is. Your fixation on ingredients to the
exclusion of nutrition is leading you to make a large number
of flat-out incorrect assertions.
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Old December 1st 08, 04:30 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
chardonnay9
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Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
Melinda Shore wrote:
??? Kibble is species-appropriate.

No it's not, never has been, never will be.


Of course it is. Your fixation on ingredients to the
exclusion of nutrition is leading you to make a large number
of flat-out incorrect assertions.


Nutrition is my top priority. Raw whole prey gives dogs everything they
need. No reason to add anything, it's all in there!

You are just used to dealing with the artificial diet called kibble
which, since it's cooked to death, starts with inferior ingredients to
begin with, and has to be pumped up full of vitamins and additives.
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Old December 1st 08, 04:34 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Melinda Shore
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In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
Nutrition is my top priority.


Okay, so what's the nutritional composition of what you're
feeding your dog?
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Old December 1st 08, 08:54 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Mary Healey[_2_]
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"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote:

How sensitive of a thing is this with dogs?


Pancreatitis can be fatal. Painful, then fatal. From what you wrote, it
wasn't clear to me that you've gotten a definite diagnosis - if not, that
would be the first step. Then work with your vet and your wife to address
the problem.

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