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Old dogs hack cough + Paracodin + Alternative
Hi,
I have a 14 year old collie.A few years ago he was diagnosed with bronchitis and a restricted airway.He was put on Paracodin.Since before Summer I was able to take him off the drug as he was much better and I had moved to the countryside (clean air!) About 6 weeks ago his hack cough came back much worse and he seems to have the restricted airway worse.I have put him on 2 Paracodin a day (which worked before) but don't seem to really work now. Is there a better or stronger alternative to Paracodin that may help him? I hate to see him hacking as I know it hurts and I think now he needs stronger medication. Thanks! ps, I'm in Europe |
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Old dogs hack cough + Paracodin + Alternative
Is there a better or stronger alternative to Paracodin that may help
him? I hate to see him hacking as I know it hurts and I think now he needs stronger medication. A cough can mean significant health issues, or it could mean - a cough.You have a geriatric dog. In a dog this age, a chronic cough is very likely due to cardiac problems. Get to a vet and have a full exam with labs done. Don't self prescribe. -Sharontoo |
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Old dogs hack cough + Paracodin + Alternative
On 27 Dec, 06:47, "Sharon Too" wrote:
Is there a better or stronger alternative to Paracodin that may help him? I hate to see him hacking as I know it hurts and I think now he needs stronger medication. A cough can mean significant health issues, or it could mean - a cough.You have a geriatric dog. In a dog this age, a chronic cough is very likely due to cardiac problems. Get to a vet and have a full exam with labs done. Don't self prescribe. -Sharontoo Thanks, he is older than before so it may be something new. Today he hasn't been as bad as previous days. I am taking him to the vet on Monday so we'll see then. Thanks for your response. |
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Old dogs hack cough + Paracodin + Alternative
Sharon Too wrote:
Is there a better or stronger alternative to Paracodin that may help him? I hate to see him hacking as I know it hurts and I think now he needs stronger medication. A cough can mean significant health issues, or it could mean - a cough.You have a geriatric dog. In a dog this age, a chronic cough is very likely due to cardiac problems. Get to a vet and have a full exam with labs done. Don't self prescribe. -Sharontoo "Our ongoing studies of dogs show that following routine vaccination, there is a significant rise in the level of antibodies dogs produce against their own tissues. Some of these antibodies have been shown to target the thyroid gland, connective tissue such as that found in the valves of the heart, red blood cells, DNA, etc. I do believe that the heart conditions in Cavalier King Charles Spaniels could be the end result of repeated immunisations by vaccines containing tissue culture contaminants that cause a progressive immune response directed at connective tissue in the heart valves. The clinical manifestations would be more pronounced in dogs that have a genetic predisposition [although] the findings should be generally applicable to all dogs regardless of their breed." Dr Larry Glickman |
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Old dogs hack cough + Paracodin + Alternative
On 27 Dec, 01:31, diddy none wrote:
"Father Yod & YHW 13" spoke these words of wisdom in news:e42e2f3d-7e66-4a9b-b29c- : Hi, I have a 14 year old collie.A few years ago he was diagnosed with bronchitis and a restricted airway.He was put on Paracodin.Since before Summer I was able to take him off the drug as he was much better and I had moved to the countryside (clean air!) About 6 weeks ago his hack cough came back much worse and he seems to have the restricted airway worse.I have put him on 2 Paracodin a day (which worked before) but don't seem to really work now. Is there a better or stronger alternative to Paracodin that may help him? I hate to see him hacking as I know it hurts and I think now he needs stronger medication. Thanks! ps, I'm in Europe Things likely have changed since the original prescription. *Your dog needs to see a vet. A cough may be a sign of many things, and not "just another cough" By the way, a health food shop recommended an Aloe Vera and Manuka honey drink to put in with his dinner.I tried it, for a few days his cough was as bad as ever but the last two days he has been better.I don't know if this is because of the Aloe vera or not.My heating has been bust for these two days and that could be a reason.I don't know if the warm air in the house and the cold air outside makes a difference. Hopefully tomorrow I will see the vet. |
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Old dogs hack cough + Paracodin + Alternative
"Father Yod & YHW 13" spoke these words of wisdom
in : not.My heating has been bust for these two days and that could be a reason.I don't know if the warm air in the house and the cold air outside makes a difference. Hopefully tomorrow I will see the vet. Hope your heating and your dog are both better soon! I can't imagine being without heat for a couple days at these temperatures. I hope it's warmer there than it is here! |
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Old dogs hack cough + Paracodin + Alternative
On Dec 28, 6:39 pm, diddy none wrote:
"Father Yod & YHW 13" spoke these words of wisdom : not.My heating has been bust for these two days and that could be a reason.I don't know if the warm air in the house and the cold air outside makes a difference. Hopefully tomorrow I will see the vet. Hope your heating and your dog are both better soon! I can't imagine being without heat for a couple days at these temperatures. I hope it's warmer there than it is here! Let us know how he does. I recently had to put my mini poodle to sleep (16.5 yrs old). He had a collapsing trachea.. he could take in air, but had problems exhaling. I treated it as long as he had some good days, but they just kept getting worse with the senility and blindness. 14 yrs for a lg breed dog is great! you must be doing something right |
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Old dogs hack cough + Paracodin + Alternative
chardonnay9 wrote:
"Our ongoing studies of dogs show that following routine vaccination, there is a significant rise in the level of antibodies dogs produce *snip* Dr Larry Glickman Finally! You've actually quoted a reputable authority! This proves the theorem about monkeys typing Shakespeare, I guess. Funny thing, though, while the quote you posted has been widely spread throughout the internet, I couldn't find its original source. Here are some other things that Dr. Glickman has written about vaccines, both from respected peer-reviewed medical journals. Please do pay careful attention to the section I've emphasized in the second citation, 'K? Dianne ------------------------------------------------------------------- Scott-Moncrieff JC, Glickman NW, Glickman LT, HogenEsch H. Journal of Veterinary Internal Medicine. 2006 Jul-Aug;20(4):818-21. LACK OF ASSOCIATION BETWEEN REPEATED VACCINATION AND THYROIDITIS IN LABORATORY BEAGLES. BACKGROUND: Intensive vaccination protocols have been suggested as partially responsible for an increased prevalence of autoimmune diseases in dogs in recent years. The aim of this study was to determine whether repeated routine vaccination in dogs is associated with an increased prevalence of thyroiditis. METHODOLOGY/PRINCIPAL FINDINGS: We conducted a prospective experimental study with 20 healthy purpose-bred Beagles. Five dogs were vaccinated with a multivalent vaccine and a rabies vaccine. Five dogs received only the multivalent vaccine, and 5 dogs received only the rabies vaccine. Five dogs were unvaccinated controls. The multivalent vaccine was administered at 8, 10, 12, 16, 20, 26, and 52 weeks of age and every 6 months thereafter. The rabies vaccine was administered at 16 and 52 weeks of age and then once a year. Blood samples were collected 1 week before euthanasia for evaluation of thyroid profiles and measurement of antibodies directed against canine thyroglobulin. Dogs were euthanized at 5.5 years of age, and the thyroid glands were evaluated histopathologically. Thyroiditis was present in 8 of 20 (40%) dogs at postmortem examination. No association was found between a dog being vaccinated and the prevalence of thyroiditis at postmortem examination. However, the power of the study to detect such an association was low because of the unexpected high prevalence of thyroiditis in the unvaccinated control dogs. Thyroid function tests were abnormal in 2 of 8 dogs with thyroiditis but were normal in all dogs without thyroiditis. CONCLUSIONS/SIGNIFICANCE: There was no evidence to support an association between routine vaccination and thyroiditis at postmortem examination in beagle dogs after repeated vaccination. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Glickman LT. Advances in Veterinary Medicine. 1999;41:701-13. WEIGHING THE RISKS AND BENEFITS OF VACCINATION. The following summarizes this author's current thoughts regarding veterinary vaccines and their safety: 1. Every licensed animal vaccine is probably effective, but also produces some adverse effects. 2. Prelicensing studies of vaccines are not specifically designed to detect adverse vaccine reactions. 3. An improved system of national postmarketing surveillance is required to identify most adverse vaccine reactions that occur at low and moderate frequency. 4. Even a good postmarketing surveillance system is unlikely, however, to detect delayed adverse vaccine reactions, and the longer the delay the less likely they will be associated with vaccination. 5. Analytic epidemiologic (field) studies are the best way to link vaccination with delayed adverse reactions, but these are often hindered by incomplete vaccination histories in medical records in veterinary practice and by a lack of veterinarians in industry trained in epidemiologic methods. 6. Each licensed veterinary vaccine should be subjected to a quantitative risk assessment, and these should be updated on a regular basis as new information becomes available. 7. Risk assessment should be used to identify gaps in information regarding the safety and efficacy of vaccines, and appropriate epidemiologic studies conducted to fill these gaps that contribute to the uncertainty in risk estimates. 8. Risk assessment is an analytical process that is firmly based on scientific considerations, but it also requires judgments to be made when the available information is incomplete. These judgments inevitably draw on both scientific and policy considerations. 9. Representatives from industry, government, veterinary medicine, and the animal-owning public should be involved in risk management, that is, deciding between policy options. THE CONTROVERSY REGARDING VACCINE RISKS IS INTENSIFYING TO THE POINT THAT SOME ANIMAL OWNERS HAVE STOPPED VACCINATING THEIR ANIMALS. THEY OFFER AS JUSTIFICATION THE BELIEF THAT CURRENT VACCINES ARE "JUST TOO DANGEROUS." SOME OWNERS REPORTTHAT SINCE THEY COMPLETELY STOPPED VACCINATING THEIR ANIMALS, THEY HAVE BEEN HEALTHY. WHAT THEY FAIL TO REALIZE IS THAT A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF ANIMAL OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE AND DO VACCINATE THEIR ANIMALS, THUS PROVIDING "HERD IMMUNITY" PROTECTION TO THE UNVACCINATED ANIMALS WHOM THEY CONTACT. [emphasis mine - DS.] The solution to the vaccine controversy is not to abandon vaccination as an effective means of disease prevention and control, but rather to encourage vaccine research to answer important questions regarding safety and to identify the biological basis for adverse reactions. Key questions to be answered include these: What components of vaccines are responsible for adverse reactions? What is the genetic basis for susceptibility to adverse health effects in animals? How can susceptible individuals be identified? Do multivalent vaccines cause a higher rate of adverse reactions than monovalent vaccines? Is administration of multiple doses of monovalent vaccines really any safer than administering a single multivalent vaccine? These and other vaccine-related questions deserve our attention as veterinarians so we can fulfill our veterinary oath to relieve animal suffering and "above all else, do no harm." |
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Old dogs hack cough + Paracodin + Alternative
On 29 Dec, 14:34, Tracey K wrote:
On Dec 28, 6:39 pm, diddy none wrote: "Father Yod & YHW 13" spoke these words of wisdom : not.My heating has been bust for these two days and that could be a reason.I don't know if the warm air in the house and the cold air outside makes a difference. Hopefully tomorrow I will see the vet. Hope your heating and your dog are both better soon! I can't imagine being without heat for a couple days at these temperatures. I hope it's warmer there than it is here! Let us know how he does. *I recently had to put my mini poodle to sleep (16.5 yrs old). He had a collapsing trachea.. he could take in air, but had problems exhaling. I treated it as long as he had some good days, but they just kept getting worse with the senility and blindness. *14 yrs for a lg breed dog is great! you must be doing something right Hi Tracey, sorry about your dog, I know when they get old they seem to fall apart.My guys vets file is the size of a book! I had a cat that reached 16.5 and he had no vet file! (Very healthy).The dog is a Wicklow Collie and about medium size. I am kind of ok for heat...2 oil filled radiators & a fire in another room. Now I'm gonna google about Manuka & dogs.The cough has been a bit better...no long fits of coughing.It may be working. I live on the West coast of ireland BTW and its around 2 degrees. The vets were not open today and I need to get Paracodin tomorrow to help him along. Cheers! |
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