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Old July 13th 04, 03:33 PM
Andrea
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Border collies are known for been most inteligent working of all
breeds.They are best herding dog, a war dog, a sled dog, a therapy
and assistance dog, a competitive sports dog, a search and rescue dog,
a hunting dog and, always, a companion dog. But what about schtzhund
have there been any border collies in this kind of competiton?

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Old July 14th 04, 01:06 AM
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Andrea said in rec.pets.dogs.activities:

Border collies are known for been most inteligent working
of all breeds.They are best herding dog, a war dog, a
sled dog, a therapy and assistance dog, a competitive
sports dog, a search and rescue dog, a hunting dog and,
always, a companion dog. But what about schtzhund have
there been any border collies in this kind of competiton?


In _Shutzhund: Theory and Training Methods_, the authors list
the more common Schutzhund breeds and then point out a few other
dogs that shouldn't be overlooked. Sorry - a Border Collie
isn't one of them, but an Australian Shepherd is.

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Old July 14th 04, 08:00 AM
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But what about schtzhund
have there been any border collies in this kind of competiton?

There have been some border collies that have done schutzhund. There is no
reason why one couldn't be successful with the right trainers.
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Old July 14th 04, 02:34 PM
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Andrea wrote:
Border collies are known for been most inteligent working of all
breeds.They are best herding dog, a war dog, a sled dog, a therapy
and assistance dog, a competitive sports dog, a search and rescue dog,
a hunting dog and, always, a companion dog. But what about schtzhund
have there been any border collies in this kind of competiton?


Yes, some BCs have done schutzhund and I think there is at least one
SchH 3 BC. However, I don't see schutzhund being a good or natural fit
for the BC. It can capitalize on prey drive, but especially in the wrong
hands would make an already nervy dog (and most BCs are pretty nervy)
into a biting mess.

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Old July 15th 04, 04:05 PM
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Robin Nuttall wrote in message news:[email protected]_s51...
Andrea wrote:
Border collies are known for been most inteligent working of all
breeds.They are best herding dog, a war dog, a sled dog, a therapy
and assistance dog, a competitive sports dog, a search and rescue dog,
a hunting dog and, always, a companion dog. But what about schtzhund
have there been any border collies in this kind of competiton?


Yes, some BCs have done schutzhund and I think there is at least one
SchH 3 BC. However, I don't see schutzhund being a good or natural fit
for the BC. It can capitalize on prey drive, but especially in the wrong
hands would make an already nervy dog (and most BCs are pretty nervy)
into a biting mess.


I now its not a natural thing for border collies but I've practice
the sport with German Sherpherds and for me is difficult to handle a
big dog. On the other hand I love border collies, I have a female BC
but she's in obedience and agility and she's nervous, she would never
do schutzhund! So now I'm thinking in gettin a male but I would
preffer one that can practice that sport. Do you think is possible for
me to contact a breeder with BC with those characteristics?

Andrea
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Old July 15th 04, 04:53 PM
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Andrea wrote:

Robin Nuttall wrote in message news:[email protected]_s51...


I now its not a natural thing for border collies but I've practice
the sport with German Sherpherds and for me is difficult to handle a
big dog. On the other hand I love border collies, I have a female BC
but she's in obedience and agility and she's nervous, she would never
do schutzhund! So now I'm thinking in gettin a male but I would
preffer one that can practice that sport. Do you think is possible for
me to contact a breeder with BC with those characteristics?


Yeah, on a cold day in hell. At least in the U.S., most people are
fundamentally ignorant about schutzhund, and if they know it's anything
at all, it's "ooooo! That teaches dogs to BITE!!" If you really want to
do it, I'd try finding out who is currently doing it with BCs and talk
to them.


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Old July 16th 04, 07:27 PM
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There have been some border collies that have done schutzhund. There is no
reason why one couldn't be successful with the right trainers.


Well... maybe the right trainers and the right dog. I know my trainer
wont let me use a dog thats not qualified for the sport. Because
temperament, agressiveness, sociability the grip etc have do be
natural in the dog. So I just need to find THAT one.

Andrea
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Old July 16th 04, 11:55 PM
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How did you know a Australian Shepherd would be good chice to
schtzhund? because I know they are a versatile breed and hard workers
, but as border collies I havent heard of them in this sport.

Andrea
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On 16 Jul 2004 11:27:21 -0700 Andrea whittled these words:
There have been some border collies that have done schutzhund. There is no
reason why one couldn't be successful with the right trainers.


Well... maybe the right trainers and the right dog. I know my trainer
wont let me use a dog thats not qualified for the sport. Because
temperament, agressiveness, sociability the grip etc have do be
natural in the dog. So I just need to find THAT one.

Of course I've got the impression you already know this but any border
collie that has a natural grip of the schutzhund kind would be decidedly
unusual. Its one thing they have been selectively bred against. Biting is
sometimes necessary for stock control, but hanging on is a shooting
offence according to some. Breeds designed to work cattle will have a
little more force and a little more grip. Yes, plenty of Border Collies
work cattle, but when you move to the spectrum of the more tough minded
cattle it is very controversial.

The Australian Shepherd was bred for different conditions. Closer
quarters, a ranch dog as opposed to a range dog. And because of the
different conditions the Australian Shepherd was expected to be protective
of stock trucks, trailers, and of course home. Aggressiveness to humans
was not only more tolerated in the Australian Shepherd but encouraged
by some. Not so in the Border Collie, for the most part. Not everyone
buys the party line.


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Old July 17th 04, 05:02 PM
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On 16 Jul 2004 11:27:21 -0700 Andrea whittled these words:
There have been some border collies that have done schutzhund. There is no
reason why one couldn't be successful with the right trainers.


Well... maybe the right trainers and the right dog. I know my trainer
wont let me use a dog thats not qualified for the sport. Because
temperament, agressiveness, sociability the grip etc have do be
natural in the dog. So I just need to find THAT one.

Of course I've got the impression you already know this but any border
collie that has a natural grip of the schutzhund kind would be decidedly
unusual. Its one thing they have been selectively bred against. Biting is
sometimes necessary for stock control, but hanging on is a shooting
offence according to some. Breeds designed to work cattle will have a
little more force and a little more grip. Yes, plenty of Border Collies
work cattle, but when you move to the spectrum of the more tough minded
cattle it is very controversial.

The Australian Shepherd was bred for different conditions. Closer
quarters, a ranch dog as opposed to a range dog. And because of the
different conditions the Australian Shepherd was expected to be protective
of stock trucks, trailers, and of course home. Aggressiveness to humans
was not only more tolerated in the Australian Shepherd but encouraged
by some. Not so in the Border Collie, for the most part. Not everyone
buys the party line.


I Diane Blackman
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Are there diferent lines of Australian Shepherds? you know like border
collies or German Shephards. Maybe I can't pursue shutzhund on these
breeds...after all I'm learning, and I have to be patience to find my
next dog.


Andrea
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