This evening I took Muttley to friend's place, and she has a black male
dog, named Noir, who is half poodle and half Wheaten terrier. Noir seemed
rather excited to have a new dog in his yard, and it was a bit difficult
handling Muttley on leash while Noir ran around and charged at him. So I
unleashed Muttley and they ran around in the yard. Muttley probably would
have been happy enough just to explore the yard and mark his territory, but
Noir really wanted to play. I'm not sure Muttley quite knew how, and I'm
not sure he appreciated Noir playing bitey face and nipping at his ears and
feet, but they got along OK.

Sometimes they would disappear behind trees and bushes. At one point Noir
came back to where we were sitting but we called Muttley and he was not
forthcoming. We found that he had jumped the fence to the neighbor's yard
and was happily staking it out as his own. Eventually I got Muttley back to
me and clipped his leash back on, and he hopped the fence back into the
yard. Eventually both dogs felt comfortable enough to lie down in the grass
near each other. It was a good socialization experience for him, I think.

Paul and Muttley

On May 20, 8:46�pm, "Paul E. Schoen" wrote:
This evening I took Muttley to friend's place, and she has a black male
dog, named Noir, who is half poodle and half Wheaten terrier. Noir seemed
rather excited to have a new dog in his yard, and it was a bit difficult
handling Muttley on leash while Noir ran around and charged at him.

***
I really don't understand why you insist on continuing to endanger
other people's dogs by putting your dog in really stupid situations.
Have you joined that Petsmart class you said you were signing up for?

"Sandy in OK" wrote in message
...
On May 20, 8:46�pm, "Paul E. Schoen" wrote:
This evening I took Muttley to friend's place, and she has a black male
dog, named Noir, who is half poodle and half Wheaten terrier. Noir seemed
rather excited to have a new dog in his yard, and it was a bit difficult
handling Muttley on leash while Noir ran around and charged at him.

***
I really don't understand why you insist on continuing to endanger
other people's dogs by putting your dog in really stupid situations.
Have you joined that Petsmart class you said you were signing up for?

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I really don't need to train Muttley to do dog tricks and I don't have the
time right now to devote to a training class. Muttley is obviously OK as he
is, so I say if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Why do you constantly look on the negative side of things? This was a good
experience for both of us, so why not be happy that it was so rather than
thinking "but what if"?

And you snipped all the good parts of my post, trying to make me look worse
to those who have me killfiled. Nice piece of work, Sandy...

Paul and Muttley

On May 21, 9:49�am, "Paul E. Schoen" wrote:


I really don't need to train Muttley to do dog tricks and I don't have the
time right now to devote to a training class. Muttley is obviously OK as he
is, so I say if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
***
A dog who has attacked other dogs is not obviously OK as he is.
Especially with a clueless (or malicious) owner who keeps putting him
positions to attack more clueless dogs. As to the class. Even a
"tricks" class isn't jut about teaching tricks. It's about
communication. And you claim to want to understand and talk about
different methods of dog training, but have no real interest in how
they actually work, or taking the time to get up from your computer,
or invest even a little money in a subject you claim interests you.
***
Why do you constantly look on the negative side of things? This was a good
experience for both of us, so why not be happy that it was so rather than
thinking "but what if"?
***
Because when you have a dog who has a history of attacking other dogs,
and you can't tell why he does, or when he's going to, "But what if?"
should be one of the first thoughts you have before you put your dog
in that situation again..
***
And you snipped all the good parts of my post, trying to make me look worse
to those who have me killfiled. Nice piece of work, Sandy...
***
Shrug. I generally trim posts - only posting the parts I'm responding
to. It's called Netiquette. As to making you look worse? I don't think
I could do that.

Sandy in OK spoke these words of wisdom in
:


***
A dog who has attacked other dogs is not obviously OK as he is.
Especially with a clueless (or malicious) owner who keeps putting him
positions to attack more clueless dogs.

Paul is in my killfile, has Muttley attacked another dog?
If not, those attacks were YEARS ago. Perhaps dynamics have changed?
Paul is an idiot. But I did not killfile him for being an idiot. I
killfiled him because his insane broken record of dismissing his
accountability and insistence on defaming just went over my tolerance
point.

But I don't call everyone a bad owner because their perception of their
dog/owner relationship is working for them, and they refuse to go to dog
school.

IF Paul showed up in my classes, I would walk out. I've seen what he does
with good intentions and to trainers. I would refuse to teach him (or
attempt to, you can't teach know-it-all's with narcisstic tendencies
anything) Only bad could come from that.

I wouldn't wish Paul on any trainer (I wouldn't have a problem with
Muttley)

As far as Paul getting training for Muttley, it's a tired, dead issue. I'm
tired of hearing about it.

Unless there has been a new attack on a dog from Muttley.. there is nothing
new here, and nothing to see. Pushing Paul on ANY trainer is a very bad
idea.
If there has been a new attack... it's not Muttley that will be fixed by
training as long as he is owned by an idiot owner.

Paul should be shot, and Muttley given to a decent owner (If there has been
a new attack) and be done with it.

diddy wrote:
Sandy in OK spoke these words of wisdom in
:


***
A dog who has attacked other dogs is not obviously OK as he is.
Especially with a clueless (or malicious) owner who keeps putting him
positions to attack more clueless dogs.

Paul is in my killfile, has Muttley attacked another dog?
If not, those attacks were YEARS ago.

Muttley hasn't attacked in as drastic a
manner as he did years ago, but on two other
instances, he reacted aggressively in
*exactly* the scenario Sandy describes (he's
in my killfile also)....and those scenarios
were pretty recently (this year).

He's setting Muttley up. Again.


As far as Paul getting training for Muttley, it's a tired, dead issue. I'm
tired of hearing about it.

As are we all. But perheps loking for a new
trainer and training class was how he thought
he could best placate his new friends on
other boards and keep them interested in his
progress. That's my guess.

Unless there has been a new attack on a dog from Muttley..

Attack? No. But full on aggressing? Yes. More
than once.

there is nothing
new here, and nothing to see. Pushing Paul on ANY trainer is a very bad
idea.

She's not pushing, I don't think. Just
calling him out on his latest "Oh! I found
thie GREAT new trainer!" At Petsmart, no less.

If there has been a new attack... it's not Muttley that will be fixed by
training as long as he is owned by an idiot owner.

Bingo.

Paul should be shot, and Muttley given to a decent owner (If there has been
a new attack) and be done with it.

Bingo.

In article ,
Tara Green wrote:
He's setting Muttley up. Again.

Good heavens. He appears to be setting up the newsgroup
again, as well, but jeebus poor Muttley. No dog deserves
this garbage.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

Tara Green spoke these words of wisdom in
:



She's not pushing, I don't think. Just
calling him out on his latest "Oh! I found
thie GREAT new trainer!" At Petsmart, no less.


LOL!!!!!

Paul, meet Leah!

And I had such high hopes when he discovered Jerry, and then Victoria
Stillwell.

"diddy" wrote:

Paul is in my killfile, has Muttley attacked another dog?

Yes. According to what Paul has posted on the Victoria Stillwell and
National Geographic forums, a couple of months ago he took Muttley to a
"play day" at a local trainer's facility and turned him loose with a number
of other dogs. While Paul was watching other dogs, Muttley proceeded to
attack and injure a young Labrador who had rolled over submissively; the
attack was apparently utterly unprovoked on the part of the Lab.
Paul has chosen to interpret this as Muttley having an issue with young
black dogs.

On May 21, 1:30�pm, diddy none wrote:
Paul is in my killfile, has Muttley attacked another dog?

A few weeks ago (a bit over a month, I think) Paul took him to an off-
leash socialization event and he attacked a young black lab. The dog
wasn't seriously injured. Whether or not a person takes classes is
their business (and you're right, I wouldn't want him in my class
either - especially since anything that happens is the instructors
fault and he blames them online, along with publishing their webpage
along with his whining). Additionally, I don't think he's capable of
using good judgement and not creating dangerous situations. But
whether or not he addresses the dog's issues through training, I think
it's just abhorrent to continue to place other dogs at risk in his
desire to socialize the dog. Not all dogs are appropriate for off-
leash play with strange dogs, and many dogs are not appropriate for on-
leash, nose-to-nose greetings with strange dogs. If you know you have
a dog who has issues in this area, it's your responsibility to keep
other people's pets safe, as well as your own. But I know you know
that, Diddy. Unfortunately, Paul doesn't get it at all, and continues
to put dogs at risk.