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I recently read a raw feeder say that he sends samples of his diet for testing to make sure that the diet meets his dogs' nutritional needs, for both macronutrients and micronutrients. He said that most vet schools have labs that will do the testing for you, and that he's used Cornell, Michigan, and MN. This seems very reasonable to me. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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Melinda Shore wrote:
[] I recently read a raw feeder say that he sends samples of his diet for testing to make sure that the diet meets his dogs' nutritional needs, for both macronutrients and micronutrients. He said that most vet schools have labs that will do the testing for you, and that he's used Cornell, Michigan, and MN. This seems very reasonable to me. Overkill to me. Though I think getting bloodwork done on a more regular basis is fairly prudent to make sure levels are staying within range. |
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Tara Green wrote: Overkill to me. He's a musher - nutrition is critical. But the thing that bugs me about raw feeding is that it's common to pay attention to ingredients and completely ignore nutrition. There are people who run around claiming that if you take care of the ingredients nutrition will take care of itself, which is not true. How much it matters to you, I think, depends on the extent to which it matters that food is fuel. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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In article , Tara Green wrote: Overkill to me. He's a musher - nutrition is critical. But the thing that bugs me about raw feeding is that it's common to pay attention to ingredients and completely ignore nutrition. There are people who run around claiming that if you take care of the ingredients nutrition will take care of itself, which is not true. How much it matters to you, I think, depends on the extent to which it matters that food is fuel. I don't know how common it is. On the raw food groups I'm on, nutrition (and keeping up with the math involved) is considered critical. But I agree, it *does* happen. But I'd say its about as common (percentage wise....though I'm pulling that directly out of my ass) as the "human food = love" bananaheads that put delicious toppings on their dog's kibble. Thankfully, the folks I have seen who feed raw who spout silliness like our new resident (fake) homeopath are few and far between. I suspect the ones that *are* like that are just more vocal about their idiocy. And on that front, I'm trying to retrain myself into thinking of food as fuel for *me* now. Am going to try raw for a few months myself to see how it goes. I have to do something drastic to get me off of my mac n cheese addiction of late :-) |
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Tara Green wrote: But I agree, it *does* happen. But I'd say its about as common (percentage wise....though I'm pulling that directly out of my ass) as the "human food = love" bananaheads that put delicious toppings on their dog's kibble. Oooooohhhh noooooooo - those people are *everywhere*. I think we've got a lot of non-random sampling going on here, in any event, but my guess would be that someone that cares enough to send their diet to a lab for analysis cares enough and is well-informed enough to be doing a good job in the first place. And on that front, I'm trying to retrain myself into thinking of food as fuel for *me* now. Am going to try raw for a few months myself to see how it goes. I have to do something drastic to get me off of my mac n cheese addiction of late :-) Wow. That should be interesting. Were you running at some point, and are you now? -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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Melinda Shore wrote:
In article , Tara Green wrote: But I agree, it *does* happen. But I'd say its about as common (percentage wise....though I'm pulling that directly out of my ass) as the "human food = love" bananaheads that put delicious toppings on their dog's kibble. Oooooohhhh noooooooo - those people are *everywhere*. I think we've got a lot of non-random sampling going on here, in any event, but my guess would be that someone that cares enough to send their diet to a lab for analysis cares enough and is well-informed enough to be doing a good job in the first place. Oh definitely. I was only suggesting (in case there was an implication) that those that stop short of that aren't necessarily stopping short of caring about nutrition. I'm glad he's doing that. If he ever publishes the nutritional results and his recipes, I'd be *really* interested in reading about it. I'm looking into cat nutrition a lot these days. Its truly amazing to me how little is actually known about the nutritional needs of cats. Scary, even. Wow. That should be interesting. Yeah, well I got really sick last year. Ironically, I got sick doing a cleanse that many MANY all natural folks think of as the end all and be all of cleanses. While I DID see a lot of benefits from it (increased energy....by a lot, actually, clarity, weight loss, lack of interest in "bad foods"), and didn't have any problems the first time around, I found out that my second cleanse months later triggered an issue that (due to a lack of health insurance while a student....oh yay!) I couldn't get diagnosed for over a year. But it was scary. Turns out, I nearly burned holes into my colon. Yeah, THAT was fun. Needless to say, I'm persona non-grata on the Master Cleanse forum. They used to LOVE my posts back when I was multiple days into it and posting my success. Not so much when I have a genuine cautionary tale about how not *every* single physical reaction is a "detox symptom". Yet another reason why I get really upset when people who aren't qualified to assess certain situations go ahead and make assertions anyway. I'm still a proponent of Natural when its the best (or even an equal) solution. But its *not* always benign, and to throw around advice as though it can never do harm is the height of irresponsibility. But then I'm preaching to the choir, I know. Were you running at some point, and are you now? Oh no. I tore the cartilage in both of my hips a couple of years ago during a ridiculous (and unnecessary) fall off of a piece of climbing equipment at my boot camp workout. Thus the perceived need for the cleanse at the time since I was suddenly strikingly sedentary. Of course the impact of being ill this past year (just over) has wreaked havoc on my figure and eating habits far more than was the case back then. I couldn't exercise for 10 months (I could barely walk without passing out), so at this point, a vigorous walk is still a semi-big deal. But raw food and lots of yoga is on the agenda before Burning Man. Egads....I'm definitely vain enough to have that be a motivator in getting my sorry butt back in shape fast. But not so fast that I'm willing to get stupid about it....no matter how "natural" and "innocuous" the process. But I do like what I've seen from some of the raw foodists, and now that there are actually recipes that don't completely suck (and that don;t all taste like raw cabbage and carrots), I'm willing to give it a shot. Long term, I suspect the most I will ever do is modified raw though. I LURRRRVE yummy food too much to give up some of my favorite cooked dishes. |
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Tara Green wrote: If he ever publishes the nutritional results and his recipes, I'd be *really* interested in reading about it. Yeah, me too. He's a walking example of ADHD, though, plus he's always got an angle on something, so I think he's not going to be publishing it. I'll ask, see what happens. Turns out, I nearly burned holes into my colon. HOLY CRAP! Are you okay? That sounds nasty. But I do like what I've seen from some of the raw foodists, and now that there are actually recipes that don't completely suck (and that don;t all taste like raw cabbage and carrots), I'm willing to give it a shot. Long term, I suspect the most I will ever do is modified raw though. I LURRRRVE yummy food too much to give up some of my favorite cooked dishes. I think some mix is reasonable. I figure it's impossible to be perfect and to just do better is a good goal, esp. piling better on top of better and eventually you end up pretty good. Different people have different modes but I've found that doing something all-or-nothing usually ends up "nothing" and in those cases incrementalism can produce better results. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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