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Ping Melinda: Sled dogs
Melinda-
Would you have a favorite book/article pertaining particularly to the structure of sled dogs (and other breeds as well) and why certain structures are more desireable in a sled dog than others (short back/long back, leg length, etc). I'm looking for a few books to help me tie structure for certain breeds together with the jobs they were originally meant to do (or ended up doing). I have lots of books on dog stuff, but no structure oriented books. (I read that you're in Austria--so no big hurry!) Thanks! Shelly & The Boys -- http://www.geocities.com/shellybrosnan/BSD.html |
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Shelly & The Boys wrote: Would you have a favorite book/article pertaining particularly to the structure of sled dogs (and other breeds as well) and why certain structures are more desireable in a sled dog than others (short back/long back, leg length, etc). I'm afraid I don't. One of my favorite things is being shown around an experienced musher's dogyard while they tell me about their dogs. Also, I've found that sending email to people with pedigree questions is a good way to work in questions about conformation, breeding tradeoffs, etc. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - If you don't understand how things are connected, the cause of problems is solutions -- Amory Lovins |
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"Melinda Shore" wrote in message ... In article , Shelly & The Boys wrote: Would you have a favorite book/article pertaining particularly to the structure of sled dogs (and other breeds as well) and why certain structures are more desireable in a sled dog than others (short back/long back, leg length, etc). I'm afraid I don't. One of my favorite things is being shown around an experienced musher's dogyard while they tell me about their dogs. Also, I've found that sending email to people with pedigree questions is a good way to work in questions about conformation, breeding tradeoffs, etc. Yes...and while you're walking, you actually get to SEE the dog, put your hands on the dog. During a discussion about shoulder layback in Belgians, someone brought up sled dogs as an example (she's in MI, and has sled-dog/mushers for neighboring friends) as to why mushers choose the dogs they do. I am not all that familiar with the differences between one "style" of Sibe over another, other than noticing leg length. But, that could also have to do with legs appearing longer due to a different length of back as well, maybe? (IIRC, the discussion dealt with Belgians having a short back, but being very agile--not necessarily all-out fast or having the endurance level like a sled-dog would, simply because that's not what their original intent was. Sheep don't really run away out at a straight, point for long distances, they tend to scatter, turn, bounce & zip here & there. I don't know, I enjoy reading & learning about the intent behind the structure, how it came to be, I guess). Shelly & The Boys |
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Shelly & The Boys wrote: I am not all that familiar with the differences between one "style" of Sibe over another, other than noticing leg length. But, that could also have to do with legs appearing longer due to a different length of back as well, maybe? The legs really are longer, and there are other physical differences as well, like sleddogs having a rounder butt and more reach with the hind legs. Then there are non-structural differences, like coat. If you have an opportunity (I forget where you are) you might enjoy going to a sleddog race and taking a look at the purebred teams, and comparing them with what you see in the show ring. When I'm back home I'll try to track down some photos. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - If you don't understand how things are connected, the cause of problems is solutions -- Amory Lovins |
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"Suja" wrote in message ... Shelly & The Boys wrote: I'm looking for a few books to help me tie structure for certain breeds together with the jobs they were originally meant to do (or ended up doing). I have lots of books on dog stuff, but no structure oriented books. All I could find online: http://www.el-minjas.com/Movements.htm http://www.kossok.com/sibes/info/analysis/gnrlapp.htm (interesting discussion on Sibe standards) http://www.worldclassdogs.com/YBTJ/YBTJ_266_Main.html (You be the judge) http://www.batw.com/netpet/dogs/malamute.module.html (On Malamutes) Awesome...thank you, GoogleQueen! (I love that You be the Judge site). Books that may be helpful: Dog in Action: A Study of Anatomy and Locomotion As Applying to All Breeds by McDowell Lyon (Illustrator), Josephine Z. Rine (Introduction) Dog Locomotion and Gait Analysis by Curtis M. Brown The Brown book is on my "want" list already...thank you! Shelly & The Boys |
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Shelly & The Boys wrote: Would they most likely be at the same events? Maybe! Some show breeders (the good ones) run their dogs to get a better handle on whether or not their breeding program is producing dogs that work well as well as look good. It'd also be an opportunity to look at the non-purebreds that are being bred strictly for working ability. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - If you don't understand how things are connected, the cause of problems is solutions -- Amory Lovins |
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Suja wrote:
Books that may be helpful: Dog in Action: A Study of Anatomy and Locomotion As Applying to All Breeds by McDowell Lyon (Illustrator), Josephine Z. Rine (Introduction) IIRC this is an older book (I own it) and is mostly based on horse movement. Actually dogs are very different from horses, and unless you are interested in tracing historical theories of movement I'd not spend much time looking for it. Dog Locomotion and Gait Analysis by Curtis M. Brown I also own this one, and it's better than the Lyon book. However my favorite book on structure & movement is "K9 Structure & Terminology" by Edward M. Gilbert & Thelma R. Brown. They go into a good amount of detail on how conformation affects movement, why dogs bred for different purposes should move differently. There is some specific discussion and photographs of working sled dogs. It won't tell you everything you need to know, but will give you a good background on how to analyze conformation and its affects on movement. Oddly enough, probably the best-known book on movement is the only one I *don't* own: "Dogsteps" by Rachel Page Elliot. There is also an accompanying videotape which I've seen which has some fascinating xrays of dogs moving, but that's all I can recall-- sorry I can't give you more detail on this one! HTH (and BTW, it was nice to meet you, Shelly :-)) Dianne |
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"dianne marie schoenberg" wrote in message ... Dog Locomotion and Gait Analysis by Curtis M. Brown I also own this one, and it's better than the Lyon book. It's on my list...it and the Dogsteps book. I *should* have picked up a copy at Dogwise this past weekend, but forgot to go back. HTH (and BTW, it was nice to meet you, Shelly :-)) Yep...I'd forgotten about the Gilbert's book, they were on DogRead a few months ago, and I just ended up getting off-track because I hadn't bought the book then. And, yes, it was nice to finally meet you too, Dianne! :-) (Hopefully you'll back up this way come Rose City? I'm hoping to try our hand at Novice A w/ Bodhi by then. Looks like I'm going to be helping in a booth for either the BSCA, or a local herding club--I think the two clubs might be sharing for fundraisers, and since I'm in both, I doubt I can get out of it! laugh) Shelly & The Boys |
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Shelly & The Boys wrote:
"dianne marie schoenberg" wrote: HTH (and BTW, it was nice to meet you, Shelly :-)) Yep...I'd forgotten about the Gilbert's book, they were on DogRead a few months ago, and I just ended up getting off-track because I hadn't bought the book then. And, yes, it was nice to finally meet you too, Dianne! :-) (Hopefully you'll back up this way come Rose City? I'm hoping to try our hand at Novice A w/ Bodhi by then. I'd love to come up for the Rose City Classic next year, but we'll just have to see. Getting to meet the black boy certainly WOULD be a real inducement :-). This last trip was LOTS of fun .... up until the point my transmission failed on the drive home, anyway. *sigh* Oh well, at least I didn't have any dogs with me this time. Dianne |
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"dianne marie schoenberg" wrote in message ... (Hopefully you'll back up this way come Rose City? I'm hoping to try our hand at Novice A w/ Bodhi by then. I'd love to come up for the Rose City Classic next year, but we'll just have to see. Getting to meet the black boy certainly WOULD be a real inducement :-). This last trip was LOTS of fun ... up until the point my transmission failed on the drive home, anyway. *sigh* Oh well, at least I didn't have any dogs with me this time. Oh NO! That sucks! I hope all has worked itself out, and you (and the car) made it home okay! Shelly & The Boys |
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