At our local off leash park there is a regular attendee who has a pair of
huskies. One of them, a male likes to assert himself over other dogs
repeatedly to the point of stalking. It doesn't matter if it's a male or
female or a pup, he keeps doing it and fortunately for him his dog hasn't
bitten mine yet.
I've noticed this dogs behaviour escalating and witnessed it get into fights
when dogs stand up to him. Now this owner doesn't strike me as the sharpest
tool in the shed but he's not that stupid that he can't see the problem but
he chooses to blame everyone elses dog particularly when its a staffie that
sticks up for itself.
I'm looking for some advice on handling this dog when it comes near mine
because I have a lightening quick fuse and if this dog bites mine it will
get ugly. So far I have just kept my dog moving and pushed between his dog
and mine and just shoved it away, if it bites me I'll kill it on the spot
and save him the cost of euthanasing the thing. This tactic has worked til
now and I've told this guy that he needs to work on his dog but like every
halfwit he knows everything about everything.
Local council and the rangers are under resourced so that route is no good
and proving him and his dog have breached the Companion Animals Act is a bit
difficult.
Any ideas that might save this guy and his dog an injury?

Steve wrote:
At our local off leash park there is a regular attendee who has a pair of
huskies. One of them, a male likes to assert himself over other dogs
repeatedly to the point of stalking. It doesn't matter if it's a male or
female or a pup, he keeps doing it and fortunately for him his dog hasn't
bitten mine yet.
I've noticed this dogs behaviour escalating and witnessed it get into fights
when dogs stand up to him. Now this owner doesn't strike me as the sharpest
tool in the shed but he's not that stupid that he can't see the problem but
he chooses to blame everyone elses dog particularly when its a staffie that
sticks up for itself.
I'm looking for some advice on handling this dog when it comes near mine
because I have a lightening quick fuse and if this dog bites mine it will
get ugly. So far I have just kept my dog moving and pushed between his dog
and mine and just shoved it away, if it bites me I'll kill it on the spot
and save him the cost of euthanasing the thing. This tactic has worked til
now and I've told this guy that he needs to work on his dog but like every
halfwit he knows everything about everything.
Local council and the rangers are under resourced so that route is no good
and proving him and his dog have breached the Companion Animals Act is a bit
difficult.
Any ideas that might save this guy and his dog an injury?



Stay away from public dog parks?

IME there is simply entirely too much cluelessness and dumbassery.

"Kathleen" wrote in message
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Stay away from public dog parks?

IME there is simply entirely too much cluelessness and dumbassery.


Actually the great majority are excellent, it's just 2 or 3.

Steve wrote:

"Kathleen" wrote in message
...


Stay away from public dog parks?

IME there is simply entirely too much cluelessness and dumbassery.



Actually the great majority are excellent, it's just 2 or 3.



It may just be that I am extremely spoiled and unconvinced of the need
to "socialize" my dogs (or myself). I've got a big back yard, access to
hundreds of acres of trails, creeks and ponds, a pack of four dogs to
interact with one another and no burning desire to chat with
semi-strangers with ill-mannered dogs.

"Steve" wrote in message
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At our local off leash park there is a regular attendee who has a pair of
huskies. One of them, a male likes to assert himself over other dogs
repeatedly to the point of stalking. It doesn't matter if it's a male or
female or a pup, he keeps doing it and fortunately for him his dog hasn't
bitten mine yet.
I've noticed this dogs behaviour escalating and witnessed it get into
fights when dogs stand up to him. Now this owner doesn't strike me as the
sharpest tool in the shed but he's not that stupid that he can't see the
problem but he chooses to blame everyone elses dog particularly when its a
staffie that sticks up for itself.
I'm looking for some advice on handling this dog when it comes near mine
because I have a lightening quick fuse and if this dog bites mine it will
get ugly. So far I have just kept my dog moving and pushed between his dog
and mine and just shoved it away, if it bites me I'll kill it on the spot
and save him the cost of euthanasing the thing. This tactic has worked til
now and I've told this guy that he needs to work on his dog but like every
halfwit he knows everything about everything.
Local council and the rangers are under resourced so that route is no good
and proving him and his dog have breached the Companion Animals Act is a
bit difficult.
Any ideas that might save this guy and his dog an injury?

Two words two times:

Stun Gun
Pepper Spray

Check local regs first, but most people will retreat from the threat of
pepper spray, and if you are in a threatened situation, you would be
justified in drawing it. The other dog's owner would know that you are not
going to put up with his dog's aggressiveness, and hey, if the guy
accidentally gets some of the pepper spray on him, oh well. Some people use
aggressive dogs as an outlet to their own inadequacies, knowing that they
are a wimp, but they do have a bad ass dog. I think this is the case, as
the owner is obviously enjoying watching his dog be aggressive and bullying.
A minor attitude adjustment usually brings them back to reality. Warn them
three times. If the dog comes in close enough or contacts you or your dog,
that can be waived. If the person is close enough to stun gun, then it is
clearly self defense, but let them come in to you. Never ever threaten or
show the stun gun, but use it as a last resort in close quarters combat.
Whoever gets hit first is going to run off dragging the other by the leash.
If your state is a CCF state, you might consider that, but again, check
local regs to make sure they are legal in a dog park.

Steve

Kathleen wrote:
Steve wrote:

"Kathleen" wrote in message
...


Stay away from public dog parks?

IME there is simply entirely too much cluelessness and dumbassery.



Actually the great majority are excellent, it's just 2 or 3.


It may just be that I am extremely spoiled and unconvinced of the need
to "socialize" my dogs (or myself). I've got a big back yard, access to
hundreds of acres of trails, creeks and ponds, a pack of four dogs to
interact with one another and no burning desire to chat with
semi-strangers with ill-mannered dogs.


Lucky.

I'd venture to say that most don;t have
access to this (though I'm working on it!!!)

Tara Green wrote:

Kathleen wrote:

Steve wrote:

"Kathleen" wrote in message
...


Stay away from public dog parks?

IME there is simply entirely too much cluelessness and dumbassery.



Actually the great majority are excellent, it's just 2 or 3.


It may just be that I am extremely spoiled and unconvinced of the need
to "socialize" my dogs (or myself). I've got a big back yard, access
to hundreds of acres of trails, creeks and ponds, a pack of four dogs
to interact with one another and no burning desire to chat with
semi-strangers with ill-mannered dogs.


Lucky.

I'd venture to say that most don;t have access to this (though I'm
working on it!!!)

T, although it may not be legislatively sanctioned, I would be willing
to bet that a well mannered dog with a reliable recall would be safer
playing off lead at any of hundreds (if not thousands) of publicly owned
wilderness properties than they would be at any given "dog park".

I am much happier to risk the possibility of a ticket for an off-lead
dog than I would be to deal with Steve, his nemesis, the ignorant husky,
or Steve B.

"Kathleen" wrote in message
...
Tara Green wrote:

Kathleen wrote:

Steve wrote:

"Kathleen" wrote in message
...


Stay away from public dog parks?

IME there is simply entirely too much cluelessness and dumbassery.



Actually the great majority are excellent, it's just 2 or 3.


It may just be that I am extremely spoiled and unconvinced of the need
to "socialize" my dogs (or myself). I've got a big back yard, access to
hundreds of acres of trails, creeks and ponds, a pack of four dogs to
interact with one another and no burning desire to chat with
semi-strangers with ill-mannered dogs.


Lucky.

I'd venture to say that most don;t have access to this (though I'm
working on it!!!)

T, although it may not be legislatively sanctioned, I would be willing to
bet that a well mannered dog with a reliable recall would be safer playing
off lead at any of hundreds (if not thousands) of publicly owned
wilderness properties than they would be at any given "dog park".

I am much happier to risk the possibility of a ticket for an off-lead dog
than I would be to deal with Steve, his nemesis, the ignorant husky, or
Steve B.

Were you and I to meet at a dog park, chances are we would sit on the bench
and watch our dogs interact, and never get to the level of knowledge that
comes in when some idiot takes his idiot dog to the dog park and wants the
rest of the crew to fall in line. Been to lots of dog parks, had no
trouble. In a couple of situations, I just removed myself and dog from
certain situations.

One time, a HUGE Great Dane looking thing named Thor was running around. My
first time around Thor. All the other dogs were playing with him, and the
people said he was a big puppy. He and my dog got to frisking around, and
Thor took a run at my dog. All in fun. About the time Thor got to my dog,
mine jumped up, and was instantly sent into a head for tail spin of about
three times before he hit the ground. Whilst in the air, and with the
sunset behind him, he evacuated both discharges. It was funny, and in slow
motion. He landed unhurt, and Thor was ready for some more frisking. My
dog ran over under my bench and sat there for a while. I didn't get upset.
It was all in fun, although my dog thought he was lunch. No need to get
upset at Thor or his owner. Now, if you were some other slimeball who
brings in a belligerent aggressive dog and then lets him run amok, you and I
would speak. Rather, I would speak, you would listen.

I'm no one to fear or stay away from. Unless you're being an ass.

Steve

"SteveB" wrote in message
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And what did the owners do? Even if they don't have the ***** to do
something, the police can be called as the animal caused injury, and a
human was threatened by a dog with repeated history of this behavior.
Either take care of the dog, the owner, both, or just call the law. In
the police report, be sure to mention the dog was aggressive towards you,
that you felt threatened, and that the dog has a history of this and you
can provide witnesses. Most likely, you can get the owner and dog to have
to use another facility.

Or, you can just lay there and take it.

Steve

The owner is pretty quick these days to come and get his dog away from mine
and since I've been giving the dog a good shove it tends to leave my dog
alone after the first growl. I had a run in of sorts with the owner before
and he's pretty much aware that I'd prefer to knock his teeth out than
debate dog behaviour. The guy himself is a bully, he's the poo nazi and when
he tells people, in particular women, to pick up after their dog he uses the
same assertive tone people use with their dogs. I told him never take that
tone with me or I'll knock him out quick smart.
They know not to **** me off and some have seen (most have heard) what
happens when a dog bites mine. A german shepherd attacked my dog for no
reason, I warned the owner to take it home the first 2 times and the third
time I grabbed the dog and threw it over the fence. The dog was uninjured
and I told the owner not to bring it back until he had trained it not to
attack other dogs. Maybe I'll just have to frighten this guy into not coming
to the park until his dog behaves properly.
Generally I just walk or jog laps and my dog will follow loosely and play
with other dogs on the way around and we keep to ourselves however, I think
it's important for dogs to socialise and understand how to behave with other
dogs. I find the park quite a good way to unwind and relax, most of the dogs
will approach me as they know I'm friendly and will give them a scratch and
a pat. My dog is also very popular with the regulars as she greets the
people she knows with a wag of her whole body and a big labrador smile. She
gets such a kick out of going there I don't have the heart to stop taking
her.

"Steve" wrote in message
...

"SteveB" wrote in message
...


And what did the owners do? Even if they don't have the ***** to do
something, the police can be called as the animal caused injury, and a
human was threatened by a dog with repeated history of this behavior.
Either take care of the dog, the owner, both, or just call the law. In
the police report, be sure to mention the dog was aggressive towards you,
that you felt threatened, and that the dog has a history of this and you
can provide witnesses. Most likely, you can get the owner and dog to
have to use another facility.

Or, you can just lay there and take it.

Steve

The owner is pretty quick these days to come and get his dog away from
mine and since I've been giving the dog a good shove it tends to leave my
dog alone after the first growl. I had a run in of sorts with the owner
before and he's pretty much aware that I'd prefer to knock his teeth out
than debate dog behaviour. The guy himself is a bully, he's the poo nazi
and when he tells people, in particular women, to pick up after their dog
he uses the same assertive tone people use with their dogs. I told him
never take that tone with me or I'll knock him out quick smart.
They know not to **** me off and some have seen (most have heard) what
happens when a dog bites mine. A german shepherd attacked my dog for no
reason, I warned the owner to take it home the first 2 times and the third
time I grabbed the dog and threw it over the fence. The dog was uninjured
and I told the owner not to bring it back until he had trained it not to
attack other dogs. Maybe I'll just have to frighten this guy into not
coming to the park until his dog behaves properly.
Generally I just walk or jog laps and my dog will follow loosely and play
with other dogs on the way around and we keep to ourselves however, I
think it's important for dogs to socialise and understand how to behave
with other dogs. I find the park quite a good way to unwind and relax,
most of the dogs will approach me as they know I'm friendly and will give
them a scratch and a pat. My dog is also very popular with the regulars as
she greets the people she knows with a wag of her whole body and a big
labrador smile. She gets such a kick out of going there I don't have the
heart to stop taking her.

Good for you. In a lot of cases, bullies of any species continue if not
challenged.

Steve