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Old July 17th 03, 07:08 PM
Mark/Shell
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Default Odd Behaviour

I have asked several people this question but have never been given the
right answer, I guess it's hard without knowing the dog in question well but
maybe someone may have an idea.
Some of you may know that my Lab x Collie George is a touch "odd" he's been
likened to an Autistic person in his personality. Nevertheless he is a good
dog and well behaved and quite obedient. George sleeps in my bedroom at
night because he used to (very rarely now) pinch things and swallows them
whole so we had to keep and eye on him. George has been neutered but if he
has free reign of upstairs he will urinate on the beds. He knows this is
naughty but he will still do it, he done it before Doug came along, don't
laugh he even done it when my other half was in bed asleep!!!
Can anyone shed any light on why he does it?? He was neutered as a youngster
so surely it shouldn't be marking territory? I have an animal gate on the
stairs to stop him getting up there now. Someone told me it was because he
wasn't allowed upstairs but he used to be able to,

Any suggestions???

Shell

see my boys at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/hollyputt


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Old July 17th 03, 09:32 PM
Gwen Watson
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Mark/Shell wrote:

Someone told me it was because he
wasn't allowed upstairs but he used to be able to,

Any suggestions???

Shell

see my boys at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/hollyputt


I have no background with dogs peeing on beds. But I can assure
you dogs don't do things out of spite.

There could be several things going on.


This has been suggested
to me by a friend and trainer:

Dogs who eliminate on the bed in no
way communicate that they are spiteful, mean, or stupid; they communicate
that they have a medical, behavioral, and bond problem that requires an
immediate, knowledgeable, and caring response. Yelling at the dog or
punishing it will simply make the problem worse. Instead, take your pet for
a long walk to calm down and consider all the different reasons that could
lead to this behavior.
Make sure the dog has limited access to areas which he has previously
marked. Clean the marked areas thoroughly with a strong odor eliminator.

Is Doug new to your life? If so there may be a bit of problem in that
your dog is feeling pushed aside? Maybe more bonding time is
in order. But maybe a trip to the Vet or behaviorist is in order.

Gwen



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Old July 17th 03, 09:40 PM
Tara O.
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"Mark/Shell" wrote in message
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I have asked several people this question but have never been given the
right answer, I guess it's hard without knowing the dog in question well

but
maybe someone may have an idea.
Some of you may know that my Lab x Collie George is a touch "odd" he's

been
likened to an Autistic person in his personality. Nevertheless he is a

good
dog and well behaved and quite obedient. George sleeps in my bedroom at
night because he used to (very rarely now) pinch things and swallows them
whole so we had to keep and eye on him. George has been neutered but if he
has free reign of upstairs he will urinate on the beds. He knows this is
naughty but he will still do it, he done it before Doug came along, don't
laugh he even done it when my other half was in bed asleep!!!
Can anyone shed any light on why he does it?? He was neutered as a

youngster
so surely it shouldn't be marking territory? I have an animal gate on the
stairs to stop him getting up there now. Someone told me it was because he
wasn't allowed upstairs but he used to be able to,


It could be an uncommon form of dominance behavior and/or marking.
Neutering doesn't completely erase a dog's desire to mark territory. I know
plenty of neutered males who hike their legs every few feet outside. They
normally won't do it anymore in the house but its not a 100% guarantee.

--
Tara


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Old July 17th 03, 10:03 PM
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"Gwen Watson" wrote in message
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Mark/Shell wrote:

Someone told me it was because he
wasn't allowed upstairs but he used to be able to,

Any suggestions???

Shell

see my boys at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/hollyputt


I have no background with dogs peeing on beds. But I can assure
you dogs don't do things out of spite.

There could be several things going on.


This has been suggested
to me by a friend and trainer:

Dogs who eliminate on the bed in no
way communicate that they are spiteful, mean, or stupid; they communicate
that they have a medical, behavioral, and bond problem that requires an
immediate, knowledgeable, and caring response.

I understand that he doesn't do it out of spite, he is only told off for it
if he has been caught in the act, not if I notice it a while after it's
done. George does have psychological problems which is why we took him on,
he is a lovely well behaved dog but with odd ways. I have spoken to
behavourists but noone has come up with a solution. At the moment he is only
allowed upstairs when we are there not unaccomppanied. In all other areas he
is fine.

Yelling at the dog or
punishing it will simply make the problem worse. Instead, take your pet

for
a long walk to calm down and consider all the different reasons that could
lead to this behavior.
Make sure the dog has limited access to areas which he has previously
marked. Clean the marked areas thoroughly with a strong odor eliminator.

Is Doug new to your life? If so there may be a bit of problem in that
your dog is feeling pushed aside? Maybe more bonding time is
in order. But maybe a trip to the Vet or behaviorist is in order.


Doug arrived about 4 months after George and to be honest he has helped
George immensley with his problems. George and Doug have bonded well and are
like tue brothers. There is no rivalry in affection etc, George is the
dominant dog.

I would like to add that George is housetrained but has urinated on my sons
bean bag and several times on the laundrybasket.

Shell

Gwen





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Old July 17th 03, 10:09 PM
Tara O.
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"Mark/Shell" wrote in message
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I would like to add that George is housetrained but has urinated on my

sons
bean bag and several times on the laundrybasket.


Does it matter if the bedding has recently been changed, washing away the
previous scent? IOW, have you noticed a pattern of him only doing things
like this on newly washed items? That would lead me to believe he doesn't
like the scent being washed out so he puts it back. It just sounds like
fairly normal marking behavior.

--
Tara


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Old July 17th 03, 10:12 PM
Gwen Watson
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Mark/Shell wrote:

Any ideas how to stop it?? I'd like him to have free reign of the house.

Shell


Time and patience. How long have you had George? If you have
had him less than 1 year I would say he just needs a bit more
time to settle in.

I hope the best for you and George.

Gwen

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Old July 17th 03, 10:18 PM
Mark/Shell
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"Tara O." wrote in message
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"Mark/Shell" wrote in message
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I would like to add that George is housetrained but has urinated on my

sons
bean bag and several times on the laundrybasket.


Does it matter if the bedding has recently been changed, washing away the
previous scent? IOW, have you noticed a pattern of him only doing things
like this on newly washed items? That would lead me to believe he doesn't
like the scent being washed out so he puts it back. It just sounds like
fairly normal marking behavior.

--
Tara


What a horrible thought "fairly normal behaviour" too be honest I would say
it is not clean stuff, I meant the dirty laundry baskey, and my adolescent
sons bean bag (say no more) oh well the animal gate will have to stay put I
guess.




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Old July 17th 03, 10:29 PM
Mark/Shell
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"Gwen Watson" wrote in message
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Mark/Shell wrote:


I understand that he doesn't do it out of spite, he is only told off for

it
if he has been caught in the act, not if I notice it a while after it's
done. George does have psychological problems which is why we took him

on,
he is a lovely well behaved dog but with odd ways. I have spoken to
behavourists but noone has come up with a solution. At the moment he is

only
allowed upstairs when we are there not unaccomppanied. In all other

areas he
is fine.


Well has he been checked by the Vet for possible urinary problems? Just
a possibility. It may be worth checking into. Doubtful but again one
of those things better safe than sorry.


It's rare he urinates on anything because wev'e leaned from past experience
and he's not ever left in a situation where he can do it so I feel it rules
out any medical problems. It's only on certain things, also he as free run
to outside usually as when it's dry the back door is left open.



Yelling at the dog or
punishing it will simply make the problem worse. Instead, take your

pet
for
a long walk to calm down and consider all the different reasons that

could
lead to this behavior.
Make sure the dog has limited access to areas which he has previously
marked. Clean the marked areas thoroughly with a strong odor

eliminator.

Is Doug new to your life? If so there may be a bit of problem in that
your dog is feeling pushed aside? Maybe more bonding time is
in order. But maybe a trip to the Vet or behaviorist is in order.


Doug arrived about 4 months after George and to be honest he has helped
George immensley with his problems. George and Doug have bonded well and

are
like tue brothers. There is no rivalry in affection etc, George is the
dominant dog.


That is good. It doesn't sound as though the problem has anything to do
with the two of them at all. Again maybe there is something physical
going on. BTW do you know anything about his past history? Owned
by only male? Owned by only female? Abuse. Were there children
in his past household? Did he live inside or out?


Past history is sad, 5 homes by the time he was 6 months, we were his 6th,
he was born in an animal shelter. I don't know that much about past owners
but the ones before us brought him back to the shelter within 24hrs! He was
a thief and would pinch anything and everything and swallow it, when we
first had him he literally had to be watched 24/7, he is 100 times better
now but can't resist a piece of shiney paper, a kids sock etc. so we are
always careful whats hanging around. A lot of hard work with training taught
him that pinching things was not on and to either drop it or bring it back
meant a reward. He shadow watches (rarely now) and will sometimes sit and
stare at nothing for long periods of time but can be distracted. He has been
checked out by vets so epilepsy was ruled out and doesn't need medication.
As you can see he is not your normal dog, like humans I've worked out dogs
can be mentily ill too. But after saying all that otherwise he is well
behave, loving and obedient and I wouldn't swap him for he world. I think he
may have been beaten as quick movements would mean he would nip, not bite
but nip.



I would like to add that George is housetrained but has urinated on my

sons
bean bag and several times on the laundrybasket.

Shell


I don't know but I sure hope you find a solution soon.

Good that you aren't allowing him upstairs for now. I think you should go
up there with him. Maybe play with him on bed and then take him
outside to go pee soon afterwards.


He does sleep in our room as I like to know where he is in case he gets hold
of something he shouldn't, although I feel I could trust him sleeping
elsewhere now our room has his basket and I wouldn't want to upset what is
familiar to him. By the way he does come up on the bed, just fir a cuddle
before we go to sleep so it's not as if it's not allowed territory.

I would just sort of drawing at possibilites.

Best wishes on finding solution for George.

Gwen



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Old July 17th 03, 10:32 PM
Mark/Shell
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"Gwen Watson" wrote in message
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Mark/Shell wrote:

Any ideas how to stop it?? I'd like him to have free reign of the house.

Shell


Time and patience. How long have you had George? If you have
had him less than 1 year I would say he just needs a bit more
time to settle in.

I hope the best for you and George.

Gwen

I have had him a year this month, he has settled in and is a happy dog, the
urinating isn't a problem as I said in another post we just make sure the
opportunity isn't three for him to do it. I think that he has overcome so
much in this year and Rome wasn't built in a day.

Shell

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Old July 18th 03, 01:42 PM
Gwen Watson
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Mark/Shell wrote:

I think that he has overcome so
much in this year and Rome wasn't built in a day.

Shell

See my boys at http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/hollyputt


You can say that again. And considering all the homes he has been
in before you obtained him, I would have to say he is doing marvelously.

Gwen


 




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