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Old April 7th 12, 04:33 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...death-row.html

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Old April 8th 12, 07:28 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"Dogman" wrote in message
news


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...death-row.html

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How brave they are!
Nice to have a happy ending but sadly, not all military dogs are saved.
Britain has a poor record.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ving-time.html

http://tinyurl.com/c6dcj6m


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Old April 8th 12, 08:17 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 19:28:26 +0100, "Alison"
wrote:

"Dogman" wrote in message
news


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...death-row.html

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How brave they are!
Nice to have a happy ending but sadly, not all military dogs are saved.
Britain has a poor record.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ving-time.html

http://tinyurl.com/c6dcj6m


My opinion: If a dog is deemed stable enough for military work, it's
almost certainly stable enough to be rehomed afterwards, as are
thousands of retired police dogs. The training is pretty much the
same.

I'm surprised more of these British (and American) dog handlers aren't
demanding to be reunited with their old working dogs.

Sounds like typical bureaucratic bullshit to me.

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Old April 9th 12, 07:12 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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How long has it been since you've been around some Military Working
Dogs? None of their vets will touch them for routine wellness checks
unless the dog's muzzled.... {grin} (Methinks the problem is more with
the vets than with the dogs.....)

Schutzhund, Ring Sport? Today these have to be pretty stable. But not
all of the MWDs have that in their profiles. "Hard" imported European
"working" Mals and GSDs for the most part.

They're doing better at placing the US dogs into homes than a couple of
years ago, but there are still monumental cases of things going
FUBAR..... And many of the applicants aren't good matches for a number
of reasons.... to include former handlers who have wives who are afraid
of big dogs..... (had a situation of this here not long ago).

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia, USA

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Old April 9th 12, 04:54 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2012 02:12:31 -0400, (Jo Wolf) wrote:

How long has it been since you've been around some Military Working
Dogs? None of their vets will touch them for routine wellness checks
unless the dog's muzzled.... {grin} (Methinks the problem is more with
the vets than with the dogs.....


That's probably more due to (misguided) military policy than anything
else. But the vets themselves may be partly responsible, too.

These dogs get along with the troops they protect just fine, and are
usually treated just like any "family" dog by non-handlers (although
there are a good number of one-person dogs, too). The dogs sense when
they are on duty, and when they aren't. Who the good guys are, etc.
Like any good guard/protection dog would.

Schutzhund, Ring Sport? Today these have to be pretty stable. But not
all of the MWDs have that in their profiles. "Hard" imported European
"working" Mals and GSDs for the most part.


Hard doesn't necessarily mean they aren't stable. Unless things have
changed quite a bit, stability is, and always has been, Job One.

Who would want an out-of-control guard dog to accompany them on
patrol?

They're doing better at placing the US dogs into homes than a couple of
years ago, but there are still monumental cases of things going
FUBAR..... And many of the applicants aren't good matches for a number
of reasons.... to include former handlers who have wives who are afraid
of big dogs..... (had a situation of this here not long ago).


Sure, some applicants aren't good matches, just like some people
shouldn't adopt/own GSDs, Rotties, Dobes, etc. in general. Or are
afraid of "big scary dogs" in general.

But the military can be a real clusterf&%k
(
http://marinecorpstimes.com/news/201...-dogs-010712w/)
when it comes to things like this. Few ranking officers will want to
put his or her own career in jeapardy (in case there is an "incident")
to help these dogs find a good home. The Marine Corps ("Leave no
Marine behind") is much better at it than the Army, but they can do
much better, too.

Until military dogs are no longer classified as "equipment", we're
going to have this problem.

And to the military mind (and I would know), it's always better
(safer?) for one's career to say no than to say yes.

And that's unfortunate.

As I understand it, GSDs are now the second most popular dog in the
country, so finding good owners shouldn't be this much of a problem.




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Old April 10th 12, 04:20 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Dogman.... my "official" sig block is "LTC (ret), US Army".... {grin},
and I live 15 minutes from Fort Gordon.

Jo Wolf
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Old April 10th 12, 10:44 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Now, the real FUBAR with dogs is the situation with service dogs for the
military members in the process of retiring medically. My gritch has to
do with dogs used by mobile, mostly PTSD effected, troops. Not those
used by physically handicapped folks.

If the dog comes from one of the few-but-several Dept of Defence (DoD)
recognized programs (Walter Reed, for one), the troop can have the dog
anywhere, to include in the barracks, hospital.

If, however, the pre-retirement military member has obtained a dog of
his/her own, privately, and trained it to do what is needed, it becomes
a Chinese firedrill. A highly motivated student of ours has managed to
get his dog recognized for everything Except residing in barracks....
lots of time, effort, and stress he didn't need, but which has helped
him start to deal with stress better. Another student, who is married
and living in post housing, has no problem in that regard, and housing
is even fencing the yard for him. BUT both of these guys have made
visible and striking progress with reduction in medications and vast
reduction in panic attacks.

And then there are those, pre-retirement or not being processed for
retirement, who have gone out and gotten a dog, and have declared it to
be a service dog, with or without any formal training. I shudder to
think what inappropriate matches, inappropriate dogs, and damn fools are
in this position. Allegedly, some troops at Fort Hood have tried this
and been told to take the dogs home. Being uneducated, allegedly some
of these characters have tried to just put their dogs in their POVs in
the parking lot.... With the MPs quickly arriving. Oh, hi-ho!

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia, USA

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Old April 11th 12, 05:02 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:44:17 -0400, (Jo Wolf) wrote:

Now, the real FUBAR with dogs is the situation with service dogs for the
military members in the process of retiring medically. My gritch has to
do with dogs used by mobile, mostly PTSD effected, troops. Not those
used by physically handicapped folks.


But those dogs weren't retired guard or protection dogs, right?

If the dog comes from one of the few-but-several Dept of Defence (DoD)
recognized programs (Walter Reed, for one), the troop can have the dog
anywhere, to include in the barracks, hospital.

If, however, the pre-retirement military member has obtained a dog of
his/her own, privately, and trained it to do what is needed, it becomes
a Chinese firedrill.


"Chinese fire-drills" are synonymous with typical military life.

The military is really only good at closing with the enemy, then
killing them or breaking things.

A highly motivated student of ours has managed to
get his dog recognized for everything Except residing in barracks....
lots of time, effort, and stress he didn't need, but which has helped
him start to deal with stress better. Another student, who is married
and living in post housing, has no problem in that regard, and housing
is even fencing the yard for him. BUT both of these guys have made
visible and striking progress with reduction in medications and vast
reduction in panic attacks.


I think we're straying off the path now.

I.e., finding good homes for the retired dogs that once protected our
troops in combat.

We OWE them that.

Period.


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