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Old August 12th 03, 02:28 AM
Grainne Gillespie
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Why do you even care what he posts? It's obvious from just two days of
reading his crap (that stinks even more than the eye-blistering snake poo I
smelled once at a meeting of the irish herpatological society) that he's
just a troll who knows NOTHING about the training of dogs.


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Old August 12th 03, 03:46 AM
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Tara O. wrote:

"Grainne Gillespie" wrote in message
...

Why do you even care what he posts? It's obvious from just two days of
reading his crap (that stinks even more than the eye-blistering snake poo


I

smelled once at a meeting of the irish herpatological society) that he's
just a troll who knows NOTHING about the training of dogs.



We all know what & who he is although I disagree that he's "just" a troll.
He's been here for a very long time and does not go away or get bored. Once
in a while I check to see if he's still tossing my name around, which he is.
That isn't a big deal as I'm thoroughly used to it but this is the first
time he's libeled me with a total fabrication and that's not normally his
style. He generally tries to stick to things he can pull out of the
archives as "facts"


Here's a fact on you.

You murdered your easily trainable dog, Summer, out of fear and
incompetence and then you lied to your daughter about why you had to
kill her dog.

Here's some other easily trainable dogs which were murdered by another
one of our local "dog rescuers"



Hello fans,

here's a great story of someone killing a great dog:

----------------------------------
Lynn K, kills a great dog
----------------------------------

Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had
gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home.
The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who
wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was
2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women

[editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would
have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though
she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is]

into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any.

Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and
would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space
(other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate
any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact
was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's
moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the
bite, and kids were shortest of all."

[This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a
a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS
DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with
poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or
sucker volunteers do the dirty work of
poisoning them and dumping their bodies,
after she condemns them to death with
her "evaluation"] --editor's note


We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and
situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where
there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known
risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and
any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have
at present.

She was put down.


[because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about
LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares
about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal
lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note

Lynn K.

---------------------------------------------

MOOOOORE DOG KILLING FROM LYNN KILLMAKOS





LYNN K. "I'LL PUT DOWN A BITER AS FAST AS ANYONE"


==============================================
On her role in killing dogs in the SF Bay area, a role she claims she
doesn't play anymoore.
==============================================


"I'll put down a biter as fast as anyone - provided I have seen the
behavior and know that the dog is in fact a biter."
--Lynn K.

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"I've been in dogs for over 40 years and worked with
many rescue organizations and with shelters in 3 states. I've
been in the position of evaluating court-seized dogs in bite
cases."
--Lynn K.

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No. I evaluated Hera. It wasn't all poor upbringing and management.

Lynn K.


--------------------------

Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had
gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home.
The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who
wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was
2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women

[editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would
have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though
she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is]

into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any.

Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and
would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space
(other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate
any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact
was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's
moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the
bite, and kids were shortest of all."

[This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a
a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS
DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with
poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or
sucker volunteers do the dirty work of
poisoning them and dumping their bodies,
after she condemns them to death with
her "evaluation"] --editor's note


We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and
situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where
there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known
risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and
any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have
at present.

She was put down.


[because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about
LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares
about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal
lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note

Lynn K.
---------------------------


"I had a somewhat similar situation 2 weeks ago. I got a call from the
city pound informing me that a dog that had once been in our Humane
Society program had been picked up and was scheduled to die the next
day. After much research, I found out that the dog was never really one
of ours, but that a foster home we had briefly used, then fired, took a
litter, let most die needlessly, and this was the sole survivor. I got
the dog extended 24 hours, sent 6 interested parties to the pound to see
the dog, and ran to the pound to let them know the owner's contact info.
It turns out that they knew well who the owner was - over 20
complaints against her and the dog had been picked up twice that month.
She went to Mexico for a long vacation and left the dog in the back
yard, trusting neighbors to throw food over the fence. To make it
worse, I evaluated the dog as unsafe, and then the dog went for a kennel
worker and was declared unsafe by the pound, and only available to us.
The pound would not let the owner reclaim the dog, even if she were
available to do so. So that left me with -
- a dog with unclear legal ownership
- an unsuitable owner who wanted the dog, but couldn't have the dog
- an unadoptable dog for the general public
- a dog that couldn't go to anyone who would be able to help him
- and no foster homes or resources to take him into our rescue program.

The dog died. And I had to tell that irresponsible owner on her return
why her dog had to die."

Lynn K.

[it's always a tragedy and the dog
just up and dies. But Lynn KILL
won't mention her part in the
killing. She condemned that innocent
dog to death simply because it got lost.
But Lynn Kill will ignore that.
Lynn K always blames
someone else when she is involved in
killing a perfectly good dog.

The organizations Lynn K is
a part of GET PAID TO KILL DOGS,
and somebody has to make up stupid
reasons to kill perfectly good dogs
Because the STATE is paying those
"shelters" to ELIMINATE dogs & puppies
Lynn K. plays a role in that capacity,
despite her lies and denials. The STATE
needs those dogs dead, and Lynn Kill
helps them achieve their objective, like
she did in her part in the confiscation
and murder of the lost dog in the case
above. The dog HAD TO DIE, because Lynn
KILL said so.]
--editor's note

-----------------------------


Shows you what you know. It was SF, not LA, and I evaluated Hera.
She was fear aggressive. Period. No training of any kind on that
dog, much to the DA's chagrin because he wanted to be able to charge
them with Murder 2.

Lynn K.

[Hera was one of the dogs involved in the San Francisco Diane Whipple
dog fatality. Lynn K. frequently brags that she was involved in
evaluating that dog. That dog, of course, was killed]
--editor's note


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



There's several threads going on now in .behavior about dominance problems.

In one of them (HELP! Life or Death...) I gave the 21 management rules I
use for a dominant dog. For real hardcases, the other option is to
escalate to a full NILIF regime. Frankly, any dog that doesn't respond
to either of those options is a rogue, unsafe, and should be destroyed.

Lynn K.
--

[Lynn K. does not pull any punches
when it comes to killing dogs or
recommending that they be killed for
not getting with the program, or for
jumping up and playing with volunteers
at one of her "shelters"

ARRRRRRRGH!!!] --editor's note
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(even though they rarely are but it helps to cover his
butt when he's reported). He's got plenty of facts on my past to use, as he
frequently does, but in this case what he said is actionable. Since he
keeps such excellent records on all the regulars, I find it interesting that
he's slipped in this way.

--
Tara



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Old August 12th 03, 03:59 AM
Sionnach
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Once
in a while I check to see if he's still tossing my name around, which he

is.
That isn't a big deal as I'm thoroughly used to it but this is the first
time he's libeled me with a total fabrication and that's not normally his
style.


Say WHAT? It most certainly is his style, and has been for a long time.
How long ago did you KF him?

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Old August 12th 03, 05:57 AM
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Tara O. said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

Then again maybe he's just
refrained from total fabrication when he talks about me in
the past.


That's what I thought until he did.

Anyway, Howe will/might only go away when discussions about him
end. Yes, I'm contributing, but I claim amazement that a
regular started a Howe thread.

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Old August 12th 03, 10:56 AM
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"Tara O." wrote in -
berlin.de:

Due to someone reprimanding Jar-Jar & the word "rescue" in the post, I
decided to read down and see what he was spewing now. I was able to learn
that besides choking, pinching, crating, abusing and murdering my dog, I
also shocked her. I must be suffering from amnesia. Can someone point me
to a post where I said I shocked my dog, or any dog, or that I even know
*how* to use an e-collar....assuming I had one which must have been stolen
at the same time I lost my memory. One would think Jerry would be happy
with the "murder" part and all my other training sins but evidently not.


You're surprised?
He's a flat out liar and totally delusional, in case you had not by now,
realized that fact.
Fortunatley, he's his own worst enemy, as evidenced by his posts.
It only takes about 2 posts for most to realize that fact.
He's such a flat out loon that most folks get that fact and killfile
him ASAP.
You ought to read Google. He's taken to cross posting to outlandish
groups and frankly, he's pissing off the worst folks in the world.



It's only a matter of time before he gets a virus. Or worse.

Terri

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Old August 12th 03, 11:55 AM
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Totally his style. I thought my use of an ecollar and prong would be enough
fuel for him but according to him I spray Kali in the face w/vinegar (or
something) too.

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"Tara O." wrote in message
...
Due to someone reprimanding Jar-Jar & the word "rescue" in the post, I
decided to read down and see what he was spewing now. I was able to learn
that besides choking, pinching, crating, abusing and murdering my dog, I
also shocked her. I must be suffering from amnesia. Can someone point me
to a post where I said I shocked my dog, or any dog, or that I even know
*how* to use an e-collar....assuming I had one which must have been stolen
at the same time I lost my memory. One would think Jerry would be happy
with the "murder" part and all my other training sins but evidently not.

--
Tara





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Old August 12th 03, 01:03 PM
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In article ,
"Tara O." wrote:

He generally tries to stick to things he can pull out of the
archives as "facts" (even though they rarely are but it helps to cover his
butt when he's reported).


Nope. He lies constantly about me and Frankie's ruptured vertebral disk.
He says I choked him on lead and collar, but he can't produce anything
where I said I did that.

Frankie's never had a collar while at our house: he's had a harness from
day one. We use a flexi, not a leash, and he's never, ever been yanked or
jurked or choked on it. Instead, his injury is of genetic origin, but that
doesn't stop him from making up some dumb crap to try to impute blame or,
what I suspect more, to try to hurt me.

Needless to say, Tara, that no sensible person takes Jerry's claims
seriously.

Chad

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Old August 12th 03, 03:16 PM
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Most of what he says can be found in the archives. He definitely
loves to take things out of context but I thought that normally what he
says...even though totally out of context...could be found in the
archives.


Nope. That's totally inaccurate. He not only makes things up out of whole
cloth, but alters what he's clipped out of the archives. He adds entire
words and phrases to people's own writing, and in at least one case has
taken two people's posts on a similar subject, creatively cut'n'pasted them
together, added some words of his own, then put quote marks around the whole
concoction and repeatedly re-posted it with deliberate attribution to one
person.
The most egregious of his recent fabrications are his claims that Matt
caused Rocky's epilepsy by "choking and jerking" with a "pronged spiked
choke collar", and that Chad injured Frankie's spine by "choking and
jerking".

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Morag Thistledown, Novice Triple Superior, S-OAC, S-OJC, O-OGC, EJC
Robyn Meezer, Inspector of Human Activity
Rocsi Cadarn, S-NJC, NAC, NGTG, OGTG

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Old August 12th 03, 06:24 PM
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culprit wrote:
but still, i'm sure he meant me. :-)


Naaah! Why let the facts get in the way of a good story?

Suja

 




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