But isn't a "prong collar" typically a better choice for a puller?

Absolutely not.

LOL again!

Ok, put two dedicated pullers side by side. Put a prong on one, and a choke on
the other. Who's going to get more reward from pulling?

Unless, of course, you don't want to bother to TRAIN your dog not to
pull, you just want to CONTROL him.


Again, so what? If granny wants to walk her Rottie and can't manage to teach a
loose leash walk, a prong is a much better alternative for her than a choke
chain is.

But that's the general idea, isn't it, to teach those people how to
TRAIN their dog how to walk on a loose leash, or even on no leash at
all?

Well, *I* think it is.

So do I. But the fact is, not everyone else has the skill, the patience, or
the desire to do this. shrug



Dogstar716
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(DogStar716) wrote:

But that's the general idea, isn't it, to teach those people how to
TRAIN their dog how to walk on a loose leash, or even on no leash at
all?

Well, *I* think it is.

So do I. But the fact is, not everyone else has the skill, the patience, or
the desire to do this. shrug

Bingo. And I think you and I see this more clearly because our students tend
to be more of the unskilled, impatient, quick-fix-type people than those who do
research to seek out a good trainer. Those people go to Jack. The
quick-fixers come to PetsMart.

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Last updated June 27 at 10:00 a.m.

(DogStar716) wrote:

But that's the general idea, isn't it, to teach those people how to
TRAIN their dog how to walk on a loose leash, or even on no leash at
all?

Well, *I* think it is.

So do I. But the fact is, not everyone else has the skill, the patience, or
the desire to do this. shrug

Bingo. And I think you and I see this more clearly because our students tend
to be more of the unskilled, impatient, quick-fix-type people than those who do
research to seek out a good trainer. Those people go to Jack. The
quick-fixers come to PetsMart.

PetsMart Pet Trainer
My Kids, My Students, My Life:
http://hometown.aol.com/dfrntdrums/m...age/index.html
Last updated June 27 at 10:00 a.m.

Bingo. And I think you and I see this more clearly because our students tend
to be more of the unskilled, impatient, quick-fix-type people

Exactly. I have had students come up to me and ask how can be so patient with
people who obviously don't listen and/or are not "getting it". You've had
those people I'm sure.

than those who
do
research to seek out a good trainer.

Well, I consider myself a "good" trainer. We get MANY people who come from
"professional" trainers who use the old pop and jerk method of training who
were extremely disappointed in the performance and attitudes of their dogs. In
the last week two different people came into Petsmart to buy choke chains for
their dogs. They are attending the local "professional" training facilities.
The first guy said his pup was hung for pulling and barking and the dog
actually crapped on itself. The second woman was all about control, had her
poor quiet Lab on a choke chain. The dog layed down while the woman was
talking and she yells SIT MEANS SIT! as she popped the dog back into a sit.
She held her there for a minute and then said "OK, DOWN!" The dog just sat
there and the woman stomps on the leash and forces the dog down. She then went
on to say how she was told that she had to be "alpha" every second of the day
because "dogs are pack animals and they will try and take over the house if you
let them". The dog put his paw on my friends knee and the woman popped it
hard. She said "They told me that pawing means the dog is trying to be
dominant".

Same old crap I've heard from the compulsion crowd for years. Not to mention,
I've been teaching classes for 8 years now, 5 of those years using compulsion
methods. I;ve trained and shown my own dog. I don't consider myself less a
professional trainer than someone who doesn't work at Petsmart, (although I do
not work there anymore). It's the person, not the facility.

Dogstar716
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Bingo. And I think you and I see this more clearly because our students tend
to be more of the unskilled, impatient, quick-fix-type people

Exactly. I have had students come up to me and ask how can be so patient with
people who obviously don't listen and/or are not "getting it". You've had
those people I'm sure.

than those who
do
research to seek out a good trainer.

Well, I consider myself a "good" trainer. We get MANY people who come from
"professional" trainers who use the old pop and jerk method of training who
were extremely disappointed in the performance and attitudes of their dogs. In
the last week two different people came into Petsmart to buy choke chains for
their dogs. They are attending the local "professional" training facilities.
The first guy said his pup was hung for pulling and barking and the dog
actually crapped on itself. The second woman was all about control, had her
poor quiet Lab on a choke chain. The dog layed down while the woman was
talking and she yells SIT MEANS SIT! as she popped the dog back into a sit.
She held her there for a minute and then said "OK, DOWN!" The dog just sat
there and the woman stomps on the leash and forces the dog down. She then went
on to say how she was told that she had to be "alpha" every second of the day
because "dogs are pack animals and they will try and take over the house if you
let them". The dog put his paw on my friends knee and the woman popped it
hard. She said "They told me that pawing means the dog is trying to be
dominant".

Same old crap I've heard from the compulsion crowd for years. Not to mention,
I've been teaching classes for 8 years now, 5 of those years using compulsion
methods. I;ve trained and shown my own dog. I don't consider myself less a
professional trainer than someone who doesn't work at Petsmart, (although I do
not work there anymore). It's the person, not the facility.

Dogstar716
Come see Gunnars Life: http://hometown.aol.com/dogstar716/index.html