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Old November 25th 03, 01:40 PM
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Jack Russell Puppies for sale

These dogs make great pets, are very intelligent, and need a lot of
personal contact. Mine go everywhere with me, the post office, the
bank, lumber yards, etc. They are easy to train. They are not for
people that work outside their home as they do not like being left
alone. They also need room to run. They will get along with cats if
raised with them. While they like to sleep in bed with you they are
not bed hogs. The tend to borough under the covers and sleep at the
foot of the bed.

These puppies are 11 weeks old, dew claws removed, tails docked,
wormed, and all puppy shots. They are short legged, short haired, and
brown and white in color. A couple have black around the eyes. $275
each.

ROCKY

Rocky has the shortest legs of the bunch, is stocky, and has a lot of
black around his eyes. He is very active. His picture is at:
http://www.beesinabottle.com/D1.JPG

LITTLE BOB

Little Bob is the smallest of the bunch but let his size fool you. He
is a stick of dynamite on four legs and is nonstop once he wakes up.
He is going to be a handful but with the right person he will be the
perfect pet. His picture can be seen at:
http://www.beesinabottle.com/D2.JPG

MOOSE

Moose is the biggest in the litter and the most laid back. He is like
an old hound dog and likes to be held. He would make a perfect
companion for someone older. His picture can be seen at:
http://www.beesinabottle.com/D3.JPG

BRIGHT EYES

Bright Eyes has white around his eyes. He is the most reserved of the
group and is very loving. He likes to be held and gives lots of
kisses. His picture can be seen at:
http://www.beesinabottle.com/D4.JPG

NAPOLEON

Napoleon has a lot of brown on his head and is extremely attentive of
his surroundings. He is very regal looking, calm, and seems to be
very intelligent. His picture can be seen at:
http://www.beesinabottle.com/D5.JPG

These puppies have been raised in our house and they go outside daily
to play. Both parents are here at the farm and can be seen as well.
Bob, the father, is very good with children. Libby, the mother, has a
good temperament as well. I live in Southern Maryland. If you live a
good distance away I am willing to meet you somewhere to shorten your
drive.

Greg & Michelle Ferris
301 743-5933



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Old November 26th 03, 04:02 PM
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beekeep wrote:

Jack Russell Puppies for sale

These dogs make great pets, are very intelligent, and need a lot of
personal contact. Mine go everywhere with me, the post office, the
bank, lumber yards, etc. They are easy to train. They are not for
people that work outside their home as they do not like being left
alone. They also need room to run. They will get along with cats if
raised with them. While they like to sleep in bed with you they are
not bed hogs. The tend to borough under the covers and sleep at the
foot of the bed.

These puppies are 11 weeks old, dew claws removed, tails docked,
wormed, and all puppy shots. They are short legged, short haired, and
brown and white in color. A couple have black around the eyes. $275
each.


Ummm...

I don't see any mention of breed registry. Of course, I'm sure these are
pedigreed puppies with a known genetic background, right? Are the
parents registered with the JRTCA, AKC or UKC? You don't mention any
titles on the parents. Have they been shown? Ever competed in any
performance events? If they haven't been shown in conformation, how well
do they match the breed standard?

You say they make great pets. So tell me, are they "great pets" for
apartment-dwellers? Or for someone who raises chickens and wants their
dog to run loose on their farm? For someone in a subdivision without a
fenced yard? For someone with a newborn child? For someone who owns
another feisty breed, especially of the same sex? The JRTCA says:

(from: http://www.terrier.com/breed/baddog.php3 )
Jack Russell Terriers ... are often aggressive with other dogs.

Same-sex aggression and aggression towards other breeds of dogs is well
documented with this terrier. It is strongly recommended that no more
than two Jack Russells (of opposite sex only) ever be permitted to stay
together unattended.
.... require firm, consistent discipline. They are extremely intelligent,
continue to test their limits throughout their life. More often than
not, train their owners before the owner knows what has happened! This
ability to train their owners can include displays of aggressive
behavior. Their assertive nature must be understood and handled
properly!
.... require at least basic obedience training. The dog's life may depend
on it! Even well trained dogs will be tempted to chase something
interesting, or even disappear into a hole while you are not looking.
Off-lead is always a dangerous situation for a Jack Russell unless in a
safe environment with experienced JR owners.
.... among other things.

You say they will get along with cats if raised with them. YOURS may,
but I've read too many horror stories of these high-drive dogs killing
their best feline friends to accept that. The JRTCA says this:

Jack Russell Terriers ... are commonly known to harass, injure or

kill other small pets, such as cats, birds, rabbits, mice, rats, etc.,
simply due to their strong natural hunting instinct. Raising a puppy
with a cat does not guarantee the cat's life-long safety!

You say the dew claws and tails have been done, and they've had their
shots and been wormed. Have they been microchipped, so you can take
responsibility for them if they wind up in a shelter? Since deafness is
so prevalent in the breed, have the puppies been BAER tested? Do both
parents have bi-lateral hearing? Have the parents been CERF'ed?

You say the parents are great with children, implying that the puppies
will be. Here's what the JRTCA says about Jacks and kids:

Jack Russell Terriers ... will NOT TOLERATE even unintended

mistreatment from a child. They will not put up with typical child
handling such as pulling of ears, tails, etc., or taking or "sharing" of
the dog's bones, food, toys, etc. They are very assertive and demanding,
and never still... jumping all over whoever will allow it. Jack Russells
are not recommended for households with children under the age of six
unless you are previously experienced with this feisty little bundle of
energy.

You don't mention any sales contract, any health guarantee, any
spay/neuter requirement, any application process or screening for
potential buyers. It can't be that you're just going to sell these
high-drive, assertive and potentially aggressive dogs to anyone who
comes forward with cash in hand, can it? Certainly you are going to
carefully SCREEN a potential puppy buyer, aren't you? Even if you're not
affiliated with the JRTCA, you will be following their breeders Code of
Ethics or something similar, won't you?
http://www.terrier.com/jrtca/ethics.php3

This isn't all Greek to you, is it? Surely you are an ethical breeder
who is breeding carefully planned litters to improve the breed, for the
love of the breed, and not just putting a male and a female together to
make some pups that you can sell on the Internet for Christmas money, right?

Right?

Tracy
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Old November 26th 03, 08:47 PM
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They don't conform to the breed standard if they are short-legged, do they?

"Tracy Doyle" wrote in message
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beekeep wrote:

Jack Russell Puppies for sale

These dogs make great pets, are very intelligent, and need a lot of
personal contact. Mine go everywhere with me, the post office, the
bank, lumber yards, etc. They are easy to train. They are not for
people that work outside their home as they do not like being left
alone. They also need room to run. They will get along with cats if
raised with them. While they like to sleep in bed with you they are
not bed hogs. The tend to borough under the covers and sleep at the
foot of the bed.

These puppies are 11 weeks old, dew claws removed, tails docked,
wormed, and all puppy shots. They are short legged, short haired, and
brown and white in color. A couple have black around the eyes. $275
each.


Ummm...

I don't see any mention of breed registry. Of course, I'm sure these are
pedigreed puppies with a known genetic background, right? Are the
parents registered with the JRTCA, AKC or UKC? You don't mention any
titles on the parents. Have they been shown? Ever competed in any
performance events? If they haven't been shown in conformation, how well
do they match the breed standard?

You say they make great pets. So tell me, are they "great pets" for
apartment-dwellers? Or for someone who raises chickens and wants their
dog to run loose on their farm? For someone in a subdivision without a
fenced yard? For someone with a newborn child? For someone who owns
another feisty breed, especially of the same sex? The JRTCA says:

(from: http://www.terrier.com/breed/baddog.php3 )
Jack Russell Terriers ... are often aggressive with other dogs.

Same-sex aggression and aggression towards other breeds of dogs is well
documented with this terrier. It is strongly recommended that no more
than two Jack Russells (of opposite sex only) ever be permitted to stay
together unattended.
... require firm, consistent discipline. They are extremely intelligent,
continue to test their limits throughout their life. More often than
not, train their owners before the owner knows what has happened! This
ability to train their owners can include displays of aggressive
behavior. Their assertive nature must be understood and handled
properly!
... require at least basic obedience training. The dog's life may depend
on it! Even well trained dogs will be tempted to chase something
interesting, or even disappear into a hole while you are not looking.
Off-lead is always a dangerous situation for a Jack Russell unless in a
safe environment with experienced JR owners.
... among other things.

You say they will get along with cats if raised with them. YOURS may,
but I've read too many horror stories of these high-drive dogs killing
their best feline friends to accept that. The JRTCA says this:

Jack Russell Terriers ... are commonly known to harass, injure or

kill other small pets, such as cats, birds, rabbits, mice, rats, etc.,
simply due to their strong natural hunting instinct. Raising a puppy
with a cat does not guarantee the cat's life-long safety!

You say the dew claws and tails have been done, and they've had their
shots and been wormed. Have they been microchipped, so you can take
responsibility for them if they wind up in a shelter? Since deafness is
so prevalent in the breed, have the puppies been BAER tested? Do both
parents have bi-lateral hearing? Have the parents been CERF'ed?

You say the parents are great with children, implying that the puppies
will be. Here's what the JRTCA says about Jacks and kids:

Jack Russell Terriers ... will NOT TOLERATE even unintended

mistreatment from a child. They will not put up with typical child
handling such as pulling of ears, tails, etc., or taking or "sharing" of
the dog's bones, food, toys, etc. They are very assertive and demanding,
and never still... jumping all over whoever will allow it. Jack Russells
are not recommended for households with children under the age of six
unless you are previously experienced with this feisty little bundle of
energy.

You don't mention any sales contract, any health guarantee, any
spay/neuter requirement, any application process or screening for
potential buyers. It can't be that you're just going to sell these
high-drive, assertive and potentially aggressive dogs to anyone who
comes forward with cash in hand, can it? Certainly you are going to
carefully SCREEN a potential puppy buyer, aren't you? Even if you're not
affiliated with the JRTCA, you will be following their breeders Code of
Ethics or something similar, won't you?
http://www.terrier.com/jrtca/ethics.php3

This isn't all Greek to you, is it? Surely you are an ethical breeder
who is breeding carefully planned litters to improve the breed, for the
love of the breed, and not just putting a male and a female together to
make some pups that you can sell on the Internet for Christmas money,

right?

Right?

Tracy



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Old November 26th 03, 09:29 PM
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dejablues wrote:

They don't conform to the breed standard if they are short-legged, do they?


Well, whaddya know! I'm not all that familiar with Jacks except that I
helped a friend of mine talk her inexperienced neighbor out of getting
one (trust me, she wasn't prepared!). But you're right... Scroll down to
the bottom of the page:

http://www.jackrussellsa.co.za/info_breedstandards.htm

Sigh...

Tracy
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Old November 26th 03, 10:19 PM
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"dejablues" wrote in message
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They don't conform to the breed standard if they are short-legged, do

they?

Depends on what breed standard you're using, actually- and you have to
understand that as far as Jack Russells in the U.S. are concerned, there WAS
no such thing as a "breed standard" until the JRTCA was formed in the early
1970's. Furthermore, no major multi-breed registry "recognized" Jack
Russells, or any variant thereof, until the 1990's.
The only legitimate breed registries in the U.S. for Jack Russell
Terriers are the the JRTCA and the UKC. The AKC registers a breed called the
Parson Russell Terrier, which is derived from Jack Russell stock but has a
narrower breed standard & more limited gene pool. None of the three
register short-legged dogs, nor do those dogs fit the breed standards of any
of the three.
However, the UKC *does* register a breed called Russell Terriers, which
AFAICT are shortie Jacks by another name. There is also at least one
stand-alone registry for shortie Jacks, called the EJRTCA - "E" standing for
"English". (Shortie Jacks are often marketed as "English" or "Irish" Jack
Russells, despite the fact that there's no real legitimacy to the term.)

None of this negates the fact that it's perfectly legitimate to call the
short-legged variety Jack Russell Terriers; it's just that there's really no
such thing as a registered short-leg Jack.


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Old November 26th 03, 10:44 PM
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"dejablues" wrote in
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They don't conform to the breed standard if they are short-legged, do
they?




I believe that depends on which club's breed standard you are looking
at.

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Old November 27th 03, 02:39 AM
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On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:47:45 -0500 dejablues whittled these words:
They don't conform to the breed standard if they are short-legged, do they?



They don't conform to *which* breed standard? There are several of them.
At least one recognizes the short legged variety, although possibly they
have also renamed them. http://www.ejrtca.com/standard.html

Diane Blackman
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Old November 27th 03, 02:23 PM
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My friends in the JRTCA and "shudder" at shorty Jacks. Oh well.



Jo Wolf wrote:





The registries set the standard of form and function for breeds.
Period. Anything else is a "type", NOT a "breed". Some breeds have so
few dogs that they self-register (although eligible for UKC registration
and some of the wanna=be registries) through their breed club (JRTCA is
one of the largest of these, and there's the Boykin Spaniel, plus many
rare breeds)... but they, too, have standards to describe what the dogs
is, looks like and does. Shows give the breeder or owner the
opportunity to find out from an outside source... judges... how closely
the dog matches the standard.

There are actually a couple of breed club/registries for the
short-legged JRTs. Two of these clubs are suing each other for their
"rights" to the "breed". They are commonly called Puddin's in the
vernacular.

When I first read this ad, I shuddered and refrained from comment,
because I could not have been polite. My friends in Jack Russel rescue
are worked off their feet because of breeders advertising in such a
fraudulent manner....

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia


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Old November 27th 03, 07:46 PM
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Do you look down upon dogs that aren't show dogs?

"Tracy Doyle" wrote in message
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beekeep wrote:

Jack Russell Puppies for sale

These dogs make great pets, are very intelligent, and need a lot of
personal contact. Mine go everywhere with me, the post office, the
bank, lumber yards, etc. They are easy to train. They are not for
people that work outside their home as they do not like being left
alone. They also need room to run. They will get along with cats if
raised with them. While they like to sleep in bed with you they are
not bed hogs. The tend to borough under the covers and sleep at the
foot of the bed.

These puppies are 11 weeks old, dew claws removed, tails docked,
wormed, and all puppy shots. They are short legged, short haired, and
brown and white in color. A couple have black around the eyes. $275
each.


Ummm...

I don't see any mention of breed registry. Of course, I'm sure these are
pedigreed puppies with a known genetic background, right? Are the
parents registered with the JRTCA, AKC or UKC? You don't mention any
titles on the parents. Have they been shown? Ever competed in any
performance events? If they haven't been shown in conformation, how well
do they match the breed standard?

You say they make great pets. So tell me, are they "great pets" for
apartment-dwellers? Or for someone who raises chickens and wants their
dog to run loose on their farm? For someone in a subdivision without a
fenced yard? For someone with a newborn child? For someone who owns
another feisty breed, especially of the same sex? The JRTCA says:

(from: http://www.terrier.com/breed/baddog.php3 )
Jack Russell Terriers ... are often aggressive with other dogs.

Same-sex aggression and aggression towards other breeds of dogs is well
documented with this terrier. It is strongly recommended that no more
than two Jack Russells (of opposite sex only) ever be permitted to stay
together unattended.
... require firm, consistent discipline. They are extremely intelligent,
continue to test their limits throughout their life. More often than
not, train their owners before the owner knows what has happened! This
ability to train their owners can include displays of aggressive
behavior. Their assertive nature must be understood and handled
properly!
... require at least basic obedience training. The dog's life may depend
on it! Even well trained dogs will be tempted to chase something
interesting, or even disappear into a hole while you are not looking.
Off-lead is always a dangerous situation for a Jack Russell unless in a
safe environment with experienced JR owners.
... among other things.

You say they will get along with cats if raised with them. YOURS may,
but I've read too many horror stories of these high-drive dogs killing
their best feline friends to accept that. The JRTCA says this:

Jack Russell Terriers ... are commonly known to harass, injure or

kill other small pets, such as cats, birds, rabbits, mice, rats, etc.,
simply due to their strong natural hunting instinct. Raising a puppy
with a cat does not guarantee the cat's life-long safety!

You say the dew claws and tails have been done, and they've had their
shots and been wormed. Have they been microchipped, so you can take
responsibility for them if they wind up in a shelter? Since deafness is
so prevalent in the breed, have the puppies been BAER tested? Do both
parents have bi-lateral hearing? Have the parents been CERF'ed?

You say the parents are great with children, implying that the puppies
will be. Here's what the JRTCA says about Jacks and kids:

Jack Russell Terriers ... will NOT TOLERATE even unintended

mistreatment from a child. They will not put up with typical child
handling such as pulling of ears, tails, etc., or taking or "sharing" of
the dog's bones, food, toys, etc. They are very assertive and demanding,
and never still... jumping all over whoever will allow it. Jack Russells
are not recommended for households with children under the age of six
unless you are previously experienced with this feisty little bundle of
energy.

You don't mention any sales contract, any health guarantee, any
spay/neuter requirement, any application process or screening for
potential buyers. It can't be that you're just going to sell these
high-drive, assertive and potentially aggressive dogs to anyone who
comes forward with cash in hand, can it? Certainly you are going to
carefully SCREEN a potential puppy buyer, aren't you? Even if you're not
affiliated with the JRTCA, you will be following their breeders Code of
Ethics or something similar, won't you?
http://www.terrier.com/jrtca/ethics.php3

This isn't all Greek to you, is it? Surely you are an ethical breeder
who is breeding carefully planned litters to improve the breed, for the
love of the breed, and not just putting a male and a female together to
make some pups that you can sell on the Internet for Christmas money,

right?

Right?

Tracy



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Old November 27th 03, 08:14 PM
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The registries set the standard of form and function for breeds.
Period. Anything else is a "type", NOT a "breed". Some breeds have so
few dogs that they self-register (although eligible for UKC registration
and some of the wanna=be registries) through their breed club (JRTCA is
one of the largest of these, and there's the Boykin Spaniel, plus many
rare breeds)... but they, too, have standards to describe what the dogs
is, looks like and does. Shows give the breeder or owner the
opportunity to find out from an outside source... judges... how closely
the dog matches the standard.

There are actually a couple of breed club/registries for the
short-legged JRTs. Two of these clubs are suing each other for their
"rights" to the "breed". They are commonly called Puddin's in the
vernacular.

When I first read this ad, I shuddered and refrained from comment,
because I could not have been polite. My friends in Jack Russel rescue
are worked off their feet because of breeders advertising in such a
fraudulent manner....

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia

 




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