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Warning about Dog Trainer
We also have a dangerous dog training group in Australia called the RSPCA be
warned. -- David Sweeney STI QK9SARG "Send Seek Find" www.qk9sarg.org www.qk9sarg.org "Jaydog" wrote in message ... Crossposted with permission. nb - Adam Stone is now considering another name change (to "Legacy") and he is vocally pro-BSL. One of my adoptor's also had a HORRIBLE experience with this individual. Unforgivable really. J Subject: warning about a dog trainer... Dear Friends in Rescue, My name is Elizabeth Turner and I am contact person for Giant Schnauzer Rescue. I have been involved with rescue for some years and have recently had a devastating experience with a trainer located just outside of Stratford Ontario (Adam C. Stone, aka Corey Reddick of Umbrella Dog Training www.umbrelladogtraining.com ) Much to my dismay I have discovered that his abuse of the animals in his care and his outrageous behavior have been experienced by many more people than myself. His site is slickly marketed and he is able to lure many that are quite dog savvy in their own right. I will provide links to other's who like myself paid Mr. Stone a considerable amount of money for what can only be described as a fiasco. It would take too long to describe it all in a short email but I needed the assistance of the Ontario Provincial Police to retrieve my Giant Schnauzer, Tanner from his "care". I'm ashamed to say that I didn't research this man as I should have before consenting to allowing my dog to go to his board and train "facility", or more truthfully put, his dilapidated farm. While he has been successfully sued countless times in small claims court by former clients that have experienced the same nightmare our Giant Tanner had to endure, I am working at present to litigate in Civil court so that his "technique" (which can only be described as total deprivation) and the goings on at his "farm" can be documented in the courts. He has been incarcerated for uttering threats to clients and in my own personal opinion having worked 10 years as the Head Nurse of a fast paced ICU I have no doubt that he is truly delusional and dangerous. He professes to deal with only aggressive dogs and touts himself as a messiah for turning them around. No small feat considering I now know that he has typically 20-30 aggressive dogs "in residence" in his home. I can say only that my dog came home much worse after only 2 weeks and was covered in fleas and lice and had a weight loss of 20 lbs. Devastating for this dog who almost had to be put down when he entered Rescue due to his extremely malnourished state. His behaviour on return could only be described as worse and we are having to start over from square one. The goings on at Mr. Stone's farm have been well documented and are on file with the local SPCA in his area. The detachment that assisted me in retrieving my dog is the West Perth/Mitchell Ontario Provincial Police, 519-348-9700. I don't have a web page yet with my own dogs story but with permission I am submitting some others that you can check: http://www3.sympatico.ca/peter.walke...tone_main.html http://www.lepus.reach.net/arin-after-adam-stone.htm I have included another with permission to crosspost at the end of this correspondence. I am fearful that since he deals with dogs that exhibit unwanted aggression issues, his clients are usually at a point where they are willing to do anything to assist their pets and that is how he lures people in. After speaking with him, he stated that he wanted to adopt a large breed rescue dog (at the time a Giant) and may contact rescues to both advertise and request adoption applications. Please consider this before ever consenting to allow this person to adopt and if you receive a request for a recommendation or endorsement feel free to have the person contact me. Respectfully Yours, Elizabeth Turner 905-825-8202 Permission to cross post from http://groups.yahoo.com/group/realdo.../message/12854 ==== Hi: I joined this egroup a few short days ago to try and learn more about how to deal with my dogs. I am not a professional dog trainer and because of the previous posts re Adam Stone's program, I decided I should step up and tell about my experience with Adam Stone. I have documentation and witnesses to back up the following: Let me introduce myself first. My name is Ruth and I have 3 dogs. They are 1 neut. male beagle, 1 f beagle and 1 xbeagle F. I adopted the oldest one who is around 10yrs. from the Humane Society. Her name is Chloe. The x is Sasha and the male beagle is Buddy. They are approx. 4 & 5 yrs. respectively. They came from a pound with a "dirty little secret" according to a local newspaper article not long after we rescued them. We know for a fact that the male would be going for research, the female was suspected to be going to the same place, (advised by a foster dog networking program)... Our dogs became too much for us to handle so we were searching out trainers. I tried regular obedience from at least 3 different trainers, but, with no success. I read a two page article in the Toronto Sun on a dog aggression specialist by the name of Adam Stone, this was last winter. I was completely impressed. For the record, my daughter is involved in our dogs as much as I am, so, after we both read the article, we decided to make the phone call. It sounded too good to be true, and, unfortunately it was. We attended a seminar with Buddy & Sasha. When Mr. Stone saw the reaction of our dogs at the end of his seminar, which was aggression towards other dogs, he said they should spend some time at his farm. After talking to a couple of people who had experienced "the farm", plus the newspaper article & 1 training class, we decided to take our dogs there. I will not go into the different things that happened that upset us while they were there. We just accepted the fact that we were "wimpy" dog owners and pampered our dogs too much, because of comments that were made to us when we would question what was and was not happening with our dogs. Not to make a very long story here, we ended the farm stay with a very serious situation. We went to the farm for a "workshop" after they had been there for 8 weeks. At the end of the workshop, one of Mr. Stone's dogs by the name of Scully, followed us down the driveway. We were in our car. We had to stop at the end to open the gate to go out. We were calling to her to come to us so that she didn't get out to the road when we opened the gate, but she wouldn't come. Scully jumped through a hole in the gate and ran straight out into the roadway and was JUST missed being hit by a vehicle that was doing at least, 80kmp, which is the speed limit. I was so upset but managed with the help of my daughter and husband, to call her back to us. I got her to run alongside of me back up the driveway and I took her and placed her in the house. I immediately went to Mr. Stone and explained to him that Scully had just narrowly missed being struck by a vehicle and described what happened. I just wanted him to be aware that Scully could get through the hole in the gate. My impression was that I should not have interrupted him for something that wasn't important when he was talking to another client. The workshop WAS over at the farm but we were all headed into town for a walking excerise, part of the training. Anyways, this led to a post in Mr. Stone's egroup, which I have a copy of, stating that Mr. Stone was tired of the clients who were overly concerned about their dogs not getting the care that they should while at the farm and, the concern being shown for his own dogs. I in turn, posted another note to the group, explaining where I had come from with my comments to him re Scully. This in turn led to Mr. Stone having his assistant call me at home and tell me to come and get my dog Sasha, immediately. (We had taken Buddy home on the Saturday, for 1 week, and to go back the next weekend and do a switch with the dogs). I said that was not possible because at this point it was 8:30 at night and it was a 2 1/2 hr. drive from my home to his farm. His assistant was adamant that Mr. Stone insisted. I said no, and I hung up. The phone rang about 5 min. later and my daughter answered it, oblivious to what had transpired earlier. Mr. Stone was not happy and really not coherant about what had happened and then, he abruptly said he couldn't deal with it right now, and hung up on her. She came to me and asked what had happened and I explained it to her. She went out after that to have a coffee with a friend. At approx. 9:15, the phone rang again and it was Mr. Stone once again. He asked for me, announced who he was, and then proceeded to literally scream in my ear about how he couldn't understand dog owners. I will not go into the entire conversation, BUT, in that conversation, he proceeded to state to me that: 1) if I didn't go to the farm and immediately get Sasha, (and I had to be there at midnight, no later and this was approx. 9:30 p:m), she would be going to the pound first thing in the morning, 2) that it would be posted on his egroup for all the world to see, that I had abandoned Sasha and he was looking for a new home for her, and 3) the worst, that he was going to B.C. the next morning and he would be taking Sasha with him and I would NEVER see my dog again. (Also, it was posted in the group, that he was going to B.C. and taking Sasha with him, with no explanation as to why.) At this point, I couldn't believe what I was hearing and I got stressed and hung up. I phoned my daughter on her cell & told her what happened. At this point I was hysterical. My husband called him back to say that we would be leaving to come and get Sasha, when my daughter arrived home and spoke to Mr. Stone herself. She remained on neutral territory in his eyes and allowed him to believe we were not coming that night to get Sasha, that she believed him when he said everything was ok with Sasha. We immediately left and did the 2 1/2 hr. drive to Seaforth area to pick up our dog. He refused to give Sasha back to us. All hell broke loose, and we were forced to call the police to assist us. The police arrived, Mr. Stone insisted I sign a release for Sasha, which I would have done anyways, (and, in our contract,which we still have, it was stated we could take our dog out of the program at any time we wished to), and we left with Sasha. By this time, it was something like between 1:30 and 2:00 a:m. and the police were concerned about the drive that was facing us to go back home, they were very sympathetic. The next morning I get up to see a post (which I still have a copy of), with lies about things that never happened!!!! and to think, this is WWW! I was NOT amused to say the least. Then, a couple of days later, he posted another note with the subject title of "New Ruth Rules for the Farm" and proceeded with changes he was planning on implementing, because of my "so called interference". I have opted to post this now because of the previous posts from a couple of people re his program, I would like to make people aware that "BUYER BE WARE", (this was also the police officer's last comment that fateful night), before they enter into anything, especially with something as precious as our pets. Mr. Stone made it very clear in his own egroup, via his own posts, that he was constantly facing clients that were out to sue him. (WHY???) Maybe, part of it was due to the fact that someone like myself was concerned about our dog's health as well as behaviour. I was told to ONLY be concerned about my dogs' aggression. Also, we were VERBALLY guaranteed a "lifetime" of training from Mr. Stone and free farm time if needed after training was supposedly completed which of course, we are not receiving. We are NOT the only clients in this situation. I would also like to mention that before the farm program, Buddy nor Sasha had any aggression towards food. After they returned home, this is a problem we had to deal with. They became vicious with each other at meal times. Why?? Also, they both lost a dramatic amount of weight, and Buddy's muscle mass was gone (documented with the vet). So needless to say, I now believe (and it is MY belief) that deprivation methods were used.... I have been told that many of Mr. Stone's clients are referrals by trainers, so therefore, this is the biggest reason I wanted to step forward and speak out............ Ruth |
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