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Old July 1st 03, 04:10 PM
Krishur
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My black lab had an anal sac infection two months back and the vet gave
her an anti-biotic infusion (filled anal sacs with A.B. cream), I don't know
what kind--it was yellow, and oral A.B's.

A month later she was still licking a lot and still had bad breath, so I
took her back. A check of the sac fluid (what little had built up in that
time) was the correct, yellow-ish color. But her awful breath convinced me
that it was still there but the vet was not convinced and sent me home. Here
we are a month later and she started to vigorously lick her butt so I took
her back and sure enough the anal sac fluid was black again.

He gave her a stronger A.B. infusion (don't know what kind, it was white)
and said that if she's licking over the weekend he'd put her on Clavamox 375
mgs twice a day for 2 weeks, which she was, so I picked up the AB's
yesterday. He suggested that sac removal may be down the road. I asked that
he be very aggressive in his prescriptions b/c I don't want to have to have
her anal sacs removed--removal can cause incontinence. She has spayed bitch
syndrome and this leads me to believe that she could be prone to
incontinence. Incontinence (for example, poop flies out everytime the dog
coughs or sneezes) would be the end of her Therapy work and all the
competitive sports we do. NTM I don't relish the idea of cleaning up after
her everytime she sneezes or coughs for the next 10 years; and she's such a
clean dog I'm sure it would make her miserable too.

Then to top things off, yesterday at obedience she leaked urine. We were
doing a drop on recall and when she got up from the down there was a puddle
under her--she didn't seem to realize she did it. I took her out to pee, she
did, and when we came back in she leaked again, this time while sitting. I
took a sample to the vet to check for a UTI. They found no blood in the
urine and had to send it out to check for the UTI (results in a day or two).
She hasn't leaked since. I wonder if the infection from her anal glands, by
licking, was spread to her urethra? Sound possible to anyone? And if so, the
UTI must be pretty bad before the dog looses bladder control--any idea how
long this takes? She showed absolutely no signs--she always marks a lot so
that wasn't questioned, she was licking her vagina but I thought that was
b/c of the anal gland infection.

So my Q is, is he being aggressive enough with his prescriptions to kill an
anal sac infection that was probably half killed two months ago and has
since come back? I'm afraid that since he didn't kill it the first time that
it may be resistant to A.B.'s

Any guidance here?

TIA

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Kristen &
Kali CD, CGC, TDI, TT
http://www.kristenandkali.com


  #2  
Old July 1st 03, 04:24 PM
C A Brown
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Okay, I've never heard of it. What is spayed bitch syndrome?]

"Krishur" wrote in message
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My black lab had an anal sac infection two months back and the vet gave
her an anti-biotic infusion (filled anal sacs with A.B. cream), I don't

know
what kind--it was yellow, and oral A.B's.

A month later she was still licking a lot and still had bad breath, so I
took her back. A check of the sac fluid (what little had built up in that
time) was the correct, yellow-ish color. But her awful breath convinced me
that it was still there but the vet was not convinced and sent me home.

Here
we are a month later and she started to vigorously lick her butt so I took
her back and sure enough the anal sac fluid was black again.

He gave her a stronger A.B. infusion (don't know what kind, it was white)
and said that if she's licking over the weekend he'd put her on Clavamox

375
mgs twice a day for 2 weeks, which she was, so I picked up the AB's
yesterday. He suggested that sac removal may be down the road. I asked

that
he be very aggressive in his prescriptions b/c I don't want to have to

have
her anal sacs removed--removal can cause incontinence. She has spayed

bitch
syndrome and this leads me to believe that she could be prone to
incontinence. Incontinence (for example, poop flies out everytime the dog
coughs or sneezes) would be the end of her Therapy work and all the
competitive sports we do. NTM I don't relish the idea of cleaning up after
her everytime she sneezes or coughs for the next 10 years; and she's such

a
clean dog I'm sure it would make her miserable too.

Then to top things off, yesterday at obedience she leaked urine. We were
doing a drop on recall and when she got up from the down there was a

puddle
under her--she didn't seem to realize she did it. I took her out to pee,

she
did, and when we came back in she leaked again, this time while sitting. I
took a sample to the vet to check for a UTI. They found no blood in the
urine and had to send it out to check for the UTI (results in a day or

two).
She hasn't leaked since. I wonder if the infection from her anal glands,

by
licking, was spread to her urethra? Sound possible to anyone? And if so,

the
UTI must be pretty bad before the dog looses bladder control--any idea how
long this takes? She showed absolutely no signs--she always marks a lot so
that wasn't questioned, she was licking her vagina but I thought that was
b/c of the anal gland infection.

So my Q is, is he being aggressive enough with his prescriptions to kill

an
anal sac infection that was probably half killed two months ago and has
since come back? I'm afraid that since he didn't kill it the first time

that
it may be resistant to A.B.'s

Any guidance here?

TIA

--
Kristen &
Kali CD, CGC, TDI, TT
http://www.kristenandkali.com




  #3  
Old July 1st 03, 04:50 PM
Grinder
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Why not take her to another Vet?


"Krishur" wrote in message
...
My black lab had an anal sac infection two months back and the vet gave
her an anti-biotic infusion (filled anal sacs with A.B. cream), I don't

know
what kind--it was yellow, and oral A.B's.

A month later she was still licking a lot and still had bad breath, so I
took her back. A check of the sac fluid (what little had built up in that
time) was the correct, yellow-ish color. But her awful breath convinced me
that it was still there but the vet was not convinced and sent me home.

Here
we are a month later and she started to vigorously lick her butt so I took
her back and sure enough the anal sac fluid was black again.

He gave her a stronger A.B. infusion (don't know what kind, it was white)
and said that if she's licking over the weekend he'd put her on Clavamox

375
mgs twice a day for 2 weeks, which she was, so I picked up the AB's
yesterday. He suggested that sac removal may be down the road. I asked

that
he be very aggressive in his prescriptions b/c I don't want to have to

have
her anal sacs removed--removal can cause incontinence. She has spayed

bitch
syndrome and this leads me to believe that she could be prone to
incontinence. Incontinence (for example, poop flies out everytime the dog
coughs or sneezes) would be the end of her Therapy work and all the
competitive sports we do. NTM I don't relish the idea of cleaning up after
her everytime she sneezes or coughs for the next 10 years; and she's such

a
clean dog I'm sure it would make her miserable too.

Then to top things off, yesterday at obedience she leaked urine. We were
doing a drop on recall and when she got up from the down there was a

puddle
under her--she didn't seem to realize she did it. I took her out to pee,

she
did, and when we came back in she leaked again, this time while sitting. I
took a sample to the vet to check for a UTI. They found no blood in the
urine and had to send it out to check for the UTI (results in a day or

two).
She hasn't leaked since. I wonder if the infection from her anal glands,

by
licking, was spread to her urethra? Sound possible to anyone? And if so,

the
UTI must be pretty bad before the dog looses bladder control--any idea how
long this takes? She showed absolutely no signs--she always marks a lot so
that wasn't questioned, she was licking her vagina but I thought that was
b/c of the anal gland infection.

So my Q is, is he being aggressive enough with his prescriptions to kill

an
anal sac infection that was probably half killed two months ago and has
since come back? I'm afraid that since he didn't kill it the first time

that
it may be resistant to A.B.'s

Any guidance here?

TIA

--
Kristen &
Kali CD, CGC, TDI, TT
http://www.kristenandkali.com





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Old July 1st 03, 08:22 PM
Krishur
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It's a weakening of the sphincter muscle on the bladder after being spayed.
The most obvious symptom (usually the only symptom) is the female leaks
urine while sleeping.

Usually it doesn't set in until later in life--but my girl developed it at
two.

It's treated w/DES (estrogen) but long term use had serious side effects.
The other treatment is a daily dose of PPA (phenylproamine (sp?)).

Kristen


"C A Brown" wrote in message
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Okay, I've never heard of it. What is spayed bitch syndrome?]

"Krishur" wrote in message
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Old July 1st 03, 08:29 PM
C A Brown
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Thank you. I'd only ever heard that referred to by a much more descriptive
term:
estrogen dependent incontinence.


"Krishur" wrote in message
...
It's a weakening of the sphincter muscle on the bladder after being

spayed.
The most obvious symptom (usually the only symptom) is the female leaks
urine while sleeping.

Usually it doesn't set in until later in life--but my girl developed it at
two.

It's treated w/DES (estrogen) but long term use had serious side effects.
The other treatment is a daily dose of PPA (phenylproamine (sp?)).

Kristen


"C A Brown" wrote in message
.. .
Okay, I've never heard of it. What is spayed bitch syndrome?]

"Krishur" wrote in message
...
snip for brevity





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Old July 2nd 03, 01:18 AM
Krishur
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I've never heard that one, but that is more descriptive. I've also heard it
called spayed female incontinence. Both SBS and SFI are pretty redundant.

Kristen


"C A Brown" wrote in message
.. .
Thank you. I'd only ever heard that referred to by a much more descriptive
term:
estrogen dependent incontinence.


"Krishur" wrote in message
...
It's a weakening of the sphincter muscle on the bladder after being

spayed.
The most obvious symptom (usually the only symptom) is the female leaks
urine while sleeping.

Usually it doesn't set in until later in life--but my girl developed it

at
two.

It's treated w/DES (estrogen) but long term use had serious side

effects.
The other treatment is a daily dose of PPA (phenylproamine (sp?)).

Kristen


"C A Brown" wrote in message
.. .
Okay, I've never heard of it. What is spayed bitch syndrome?]

"Krishur" wrote in message
...
snip for brevity







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Old July 2nd 03, 10:09 PM
Krishur
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"Pennie" wrote in message
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"Krishur" said:

A month later she was still licking a lot and still had bad breath, so I
took her back. A check of the sac fluid (what little had built up in that
time) was the correct, yellow-ish color. But her awful breath convinced

me
that it was still there but the vet was not convinced and sent me home.

Here
we are a month later and she started to vigorously lick her butt so I

took
her back and sure enough the anal sac fluid was black again.


I guess my question to all of this is how do they know it's an
infection? There are a lot of dogs who have to go to the vets to have
their anal sacs expressed on a monthly (or more often) basis...but it
doesn't mean they're infected, just full of fluid. I'm just wondering
what type of testing was done to assure they're indeed is an infection
and not just impacted.
Here's a great page on anything you ever wanted to know about anal
sacs: http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_anal_sacs.html


The anal sac fluid was black and not the normal yellowish color. Thanks for
the link and advice.

Kristen


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