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Lumps-Opinions
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I have a 11 year old female German Shepherd. I took her to have her yearly check-up in mid-May. No lumps were found then. Then my husband noticed a couple of bumps and took her in to have them checked out. Then during that visit the vet assistant found a 3rd lump. One is under her front left leg in the pit area. The 2nd lump is between her shoulder blades and they think that may just be from her shots in May. The third lump is on the inside of the back right leg. They want to wait 3 weeks so they can see how the lump between her shoulder blades feels. At that time, she will go in for surgery to have either 2 or 3 lumps removed. I plan to have those sent out for testing to make sure of what they are. I have a few questions that I thought I'd ask the group before I bring them up to the vet. First question: Well from reading some archives at google, it seems that lumps in old dogs can be a common thing so how do you decide how many to have taken out surgically? I'm concerned that she is going to have 3 areas with stitches and that it will take her a long time to heal from that. Then what if I find 2 more in six months... do I have those taken out and then she will have to heal from those as well? Do vets normally suggest going the surgical route over the biopsy route? The reason I question this is because the surgery will be lumped with a teeth cleaning and such. I want to do what is best for my dog so I'm looking for opinions. I'm definitely considering going to a different vet for another look. Thanks for any insight you may have. Alie |
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In my experience, most of these "lumps" are fatty benign growths. Although
I know the concern about the one between the shoulder blades is a good concern to have. The lump I would be most concerned about is the one in the "arm pit" watch that one. With all of the nerves and vessels in the armpit, if it gets too swollen, the circulation and drainage of the front leg can be compromised. The leg will swell, etc. Cosmetic stuff is one thing (we love them lumps bumps and all), but comfort and function can be something else. Those things can get pretty big, too. If you do chose to go ahead and get them removed, best to do it while they are small, before they have a chance to grow into the muscles and surrounding tissue. "alie" wrote in message . .. Hi... I have a 11 year old female German Shepherd. I took her to have her yearly check-up in mid-May. No lumps were found then. Then my husband noticed a couple of bumps and took her in to have them checked out. Then during that visit the vet assistant found a 3rd lump. One is under her front left leg in the pit area. The 2nd lump is between her shoulder blades and they think that may just be from her shots in May. The third lump is on the inside of the back right leg. They want to wait 3 weeks so they can see how the lump between her shoulder blades feels. At that time, she will go in for surgery to have either 2 or 3 lumps removed. I plan to have those sent out for testing to make sure of what they are. I have a few questions that I thought I'd ask the group before I bring them up to the vet. First question: Well from reading some archives at google, it seems that lumps in old dogs can be a common thing so how do you decide how many to have taken out surgically? I'm concerned that she is going to have 3 areas with stitches and that it will take her a long time to heal from that. Then what if I find 2 more in six months... do I have those taken out and then she will have to heal from those as well? Do vets normally suggest going the surgical route over the biopsy route? The reason I question this is because the surgery will be lumped with a teeth cleaning and such. I want to do what is best for my dog so I'm looking for opinions. I'm definitely considering going to a different vet for another look. Thanks for any insight you may have. Alie |
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In my experience, most of these "lumps" are fatty benign growths. Although
I know the concern about the one between the shoulder blades is a good concern to have. The lump I would be most concerned about is the one in the "arm pit" watch that one. With all of the nerves and vessels in the armpit, if it gets too swollen, the circulation and drainage of the front leg can be compromised. The leg will swell, etc. Cosmetic stuff is one thing (we love them lumps bumps and all), but comfort and function can be something else. Those things can get pretty big, too. If you do chose to go ahead and get them removed, best to do it while they are small, before they have a chance to grow into the muscles and surrounding tissue. "alie" wrote in message . .. Hi... I have a 11 year old female German Shepherd. I took her to have her yearly check-up in mid-May. No lumps were found then. Then my husband noticed a couple of bumps and took her in to have them checked out. Then during that visit the vet assistant found a 3rd lump. One is under her front left leg in the pit area. The 2nd lump is between her shoulder blades and they think that may just be from her shots in May. The third lump is on the inside of the back right leg. They want to wait 3 weeks so they can see how the lump between her shoulder blades feels. At that time, she will go in for surgery to have either 2 or 3 lumps removed. I plan to have those sent out for testing to make sure of what they are. I have a few questions that I thought I'd ask the group before I bring them up to the vet. First question: Well from reading some archives at google, it seems that lumps in old dogs can be a common thing so how do you decide how many to have taken out surgically? I'm concerned that she is going to have 3 areas with stitches and that it will take her a long time to heal from that. Then what if I find 2 more in six months... do I have those taken out and then she will have to heal from those as well? Do vets normally suggest going the surgical route over the biopsy route? The reason I question this is because the surgery will be lumped with a teeth cleaning and such. I want to do what is best for my dog so I'm looking for opinions. I'm definitely considering going to a different vet for another look. Thanks for any insight you may have. Alie |
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"ZPL" wrote: In my experience, most of these "lumps" are fatty benign growths. Although I know the concern about the one between the shoulder blades is a good concern to have. The lump I would be most concerned about is the one in the "arm pit" watch that one. With all of the nerves and vessels in the armpit, if it gets too swollen, the circulation and drainage of the front leg can be compromised. The leg will swell, etc. Cosmetic stuff is one thing (we love them lumps bumps and all), but comfort and function can be something else. Those things can get pretty big, too. If you do chose to go ahead and get them removed, best to do it while they are small, before they have a chance to grow into the muscles and surrounding tissue. "alie" wrote in message . .. Hi... I have a 11 year old female German Shepherd. I took her to have her yearly check-up in mid-May. No lumps were found then. Then my husband noticed a couple of bumps and took her in to have them checked out. Then during that visit the vet assistant found a 3rd lump. One is under her front left leg in the pit area. The 2nd lump is between her shoulder blades and they think that may just be from her shots in May. The third lump is on the inside of the back right leg. They want to wait 3 weeks so they can see how the lump between her shoulder blades feels. At that time, she will go in for surgery to have either 2 or 3 lumps removed. I plan to have those sent out for testing to make sure of what they are. I have a few questions that I thought I'd ask the group before I bring them up to the vet. First question: Well from reading some archives at google, it seems that lumps in old dogs can be a common thing so how do you decide how many to have taken out surgically? I'm concerned that she is going to have 3 areas with stitches and that it will take her a long time to heal from that. Then what if I find 2 more in six months... do I have those taken out and then she will have to heal from those as well? Do vets normally suggest going the surgical route over the biopsy route? The reason I question this is because the surgery will be lumped with a teeth cleaning and such. I want to do what is best for my dog so I'm looking for opinions. I'm definitely considering going to a different vet for another look. FWIW, the vet I worked with was quite conservative. He tended to evaluate lumps on old dogs by feel. If it felt like a lipoma, or fatty tumor, then he'd let it go and watch for it to either grow too quickly (implying it wasn't a fatty tumor at all) or impede the dog's daily activity (like the large one on a little Schnauzer's armpit that prevented that leg from moving normally). If the vet is suggesting surgery, presumably he's made that initial evaluation (lipomas feel quite characteristically soft and encapsulated) and is concerned enough to take the next step. He may as well get the whole thing in one surgery instead of sedating the dog, removing a core, sewing the dog back up, sending the core in, finding out it's bad news and the whole thing needs to be excised, and having to cut into the dog again. (To the OP) By the way, why is your 11 year old GSD still getting vaccinations? What diseases, exactly, are you afraid she'll get? The breed is prone to immune problems and too many vaccinations--did you know that one distemper vaccine lasts over 7 years?--can promote such problems. I'm pretty sure that there is some correlation between skin swellings at the injection site and other abnormal immune responses to the vaccine. -Alison in OH |
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"ZPL" wrote: In my experience, most of these "lumps" are fatty benign growths. Although I know the concern about the one between the shoulder blades is a good concern to have. The lump I would be most concerned about is the one in the "arm pit" watch that one. With all of the nerves and vessels in the armpit, if it gets too swollen, the circulation and drainage of the front leg can be compromised. The leg will swell, etc. Cosmetic stuff is one thing (we love them lumps bumps and all), but comfort and function can be something else. Those things can get pretty big, too. If you do chose to go ahead and get them removed, best to do it while they are small, before they have a chance to grow into the muscles and surrounding tissue. "alie" wrote in message . .. Hi... I have a 11 year old female German Shepherd. I took her to have her yearly check-up in mid-May. No lumps were found then. Then my husband noticed a couple of bumps and took her in to have them checked out. Then during that visit the vet assistant found a 3rd lump. One is under her front left leg in the pit area. The 2nd lump is between her shoulder blades and they think that may just be from her shots in May. The third lump is on the inside of the back right leg. They want to wait 3 weeks so they can see how the lump between her shoulder blades feels. At that time, she will go in for surgery to have either 2 or 3 lumps removed. I plan to have those sent out for testing to make sure of what they are. I have a few questions that I thought I'd ask the group before I bring them up to the vet. First question: Well from reading some archives at google, it seems that lumps in old dogs can be a common thing so how do you decide how many to have taken out surgically? I'm concerned that she is going to have 3 areas with stitches and that it will take her a long time to heal from that. Then what if I find 2 more in six months... do I have those taken out and then she will have to heal from those as well? Do vets normally suggest going the surgical route over the biopsy route? The reason I question this is because the surgery will be lumped with a teeth cleaning and such. I want to do what is best for my dog so I'm looking for opinions. I'm definitely considering going to a different vet for another look. FWIW, the vet I worked with was quite conservative. He tended to evaluate lumps on old dogs by feel. If it felt like a lipoma, or fatty tumor, then he'd let it go and watch for it to either grow too quickly (implying it wasn't a fatty tumor at all) or impede the dog's daily activity (like the large one on a little Schnauzer's armpit that prevented that leg from moving normally). If the vet is suggesting surgery, presumably he's made that initial evaluation (lipomas feel quite characteristically soft and encapsulated) and is concerned enough to take the next step. He may as well get the whole thing in one surgery instead of sedating the dog, removing a core, sewing the dog back up, sending the core in, finding out it's bad news and the whole thing needs to be excised, and having to cut into the dog again. (To the OP) By the way, why is your 11 year old GSD still getting vaccinations? What diseases, exactly, are you afraid she'll get? The breed is prone to immune problems and too many vaccinations--did you know that one distemper vaccine lasts over 7 years?--can promote such problems. I'm pretty sure that there is some correlation between skin swellings at the injection site and other abnormal immune responses to the vaccine. -Alison in OH |
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alie wrote: One is under her front left leg in the pit area. The 2nd lump is between her shoulder blades and they think that may just be from her shots in May. The third lump is on the inside of the back right leg. They want to wait 3 weeks so they can see how the lump between her shoulder blades feels. At that time, she will go in for surgery to have either 2 or 3 lumps removed. I plan to have those sent out for testing to make sure of what they are. I have a few questions that I thought I'd ask the group before I bring them up to the vet. First question: Well from reading some archives at google, it seems that lumps in old dogs can be a common thing so how do you decide how many to have taken out surgically? I'm concerned that she is going to have 3 areas with stitches and that it will take her a long time to heal from that. Then what if I find 2 more in six months... do I have those taken out and then she will have to heal from those as well? Do vets normally suggest going the surgical route over the biopsy route? The reason I question this is because the surgery will be lumped with a teeth cleaning and such. I want to do what is best for my dog so I'm looking for opinions. I'm definitely considering going to a different vet for another look. We start with needle biopsies and decide about surgeries later. If the teeth cleaning was a big priority, then yes, getting everything done at the same time makes sense. We have older dogs and have some lumps that are fatty tumors and some that have been cancerous (and some of each on ome dog). The lump in the "armpit" would really concern me, because with one dog, it could indicate lymphoma (or not). As I said, I would have needle biopsies done before I made any appointments for surgeries because DH & I might decide not to go ahead with surgery depending on the type of tumor, etc. We like to have as much info as possible before surgery, including whether surgery is really the best option for treatment, should treatment be necessary. Then Tracy had his surgery for his mast cell sarcoma, we decided to remove a cyst at the same time, but left all the other fatty tumors alone. We did make sure that each fatty tumor had a needle biopsy and that the vet make a clear chart of which tumors had been tested. This became important about a year later, when we wondered whether we had found another tumor. (We had, but it was a fatty tumor). |
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In article ,
alie wrote: One is under her front left leg in the pit area. The 2nd lump is between her shoulder blades and they think that may just be from her shots in May. The third lump is on the inside of the back right leg. They want to wait 3 weeks so they can see how the lump between her shoulder blades feels. At that time, she will go in for surgery to have either 2 or 3 lumps removed. I plan to have those sent out for testing to make sure of what they are. I have a few questions that I thought I'd ask the group before I bring them up to the vet. First question: Well from reading some archives at google, it seems that lumps in old dogs can be a common thing so how do you decide how many to have taken out surgically? I'm concerned that she is going to have 3 areas with stitches and that it will take her a long time to heal from that. Then what if I find 2 more in six months... do I have those taken out and then she will have to heal from those as well? Do vets normally suggest going the surgical route over the biopsy route? The reason I question this is because the surgery will be lumped with a teeth cleaning and such. I want to do what is best for my dog so I'm looking for opinions. I'm definitely considering going to a different vet for another look. We start with needle biopsies and decide about surgeries later. If the teeth cleaning was a big priority, then yes, getting everything done at the same time makes sense. We have older dogs and have some lumps that are fatty tumors and some that have been cancerous (and some of each on ome dog). The lump in the "armpit" would really concern me, because with one dog, it could indicate lymphoma (or not). As I said, I would have needle biopsies done before I made any appointments for surgeries because DH & I might decide not to go ahead with surgery depending on the type of tumor, etc. We like to have as much info as possible before surgery, including whether surgery is really the best option for treatment, should treatment be necessary. Then Tracy had his surgery for his mast cell sarcoma, we decided to remove a cyst at the same time, but left all the other fatty tumors alone. We did make sure that each fatty tumor had a needle biopsy and that the vet make a clear chart of which tumors had been tested. This became important about a year later, when we wondered whether we had found another tumor. (We had, but it was a fatty tumor). |
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Subject: Lumps-Opinions
From: alie Date: 7/28/03 7:58 AM Pacific First question: Well from reading some archives at google, it seems that lumps in old dogs can be a common thing so how do you decide how many to have taken out surgically? I have a 13yr old with several lumps. My vet has opted for the conservative approach: watch them carefully (I check them each and every day for growth, changes in texture/feel) and do a biopsy prior to surgical removal, if necessary. Older dogs do get these things, fatty tumors, and many times they are nothing detrimental to the dog. If you are worried you can always have them biopsied. At the time of the bx the vet can sometimes tell if they are a definite problem and remove them at that time. JMHO Deb Shi the Survivor Georgie the Kid-Snarker |
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Subject: Lumps-Opinions
From: alie Date: 7/28/03 7:58 AM Pacific First question: Well from reading some archives at google, it seems that lumps in old dogs can be a common thing so how do you decide how many to have taken out surgically? I have a 13yr old with several lumps. My vet has opted for the conservative approach: watch them carefully (I check them each and every day for growth, changes in texture/feel) and do a biopsy prior to surgical removal, if necessary. Older dogs do get these things, fatty tumors, and many times they are nothing detrimental to the dog. If you are worried you can always have them biopsied. At the time of the bx the vet can sometimes tell if they are a definite problem and remove them at that time. JMHO Deb Shi the Survivor Georgie the Kid-Snarker |
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"alie" wrote in message . .. I have a 11 year old female German Shepherd. I took her to have her yearly check-up in mid-May. No lumps were found then. Then my husband noticed a couple of bumps and took her in to have them checked out. Then during that visit the vet assistant found a 3rd lump. One is under her front left leg in the pit area. The 2nd lump is between her shoulder blades and they think that may just be from her shots in May. The third lump is on the inside of the back right leg. ..........If you didn't get this done at yearly check up I'd get a complete bloodworkup done now (especially if you're contemplating anesthesia for teeth cleaning), which would be both a CBC and complete chemistry panel. This will give you an idea of the overall health of the dog and sometimes there are abnormalities in the bloodwork that might point to cancer. In the meantime you might try giving the dog a knuckle bone once a week to chew on for 1/2 hour and you might end up skipping teeth cleaning altogether. ........Is the vet sure the lumps aren't enlarged lymph nodes (except one between shoulder blades)? It is really impossible to tell what the lumps are just by feeling them. Some opt for a fine needle aspirate first, but this isn't necessarily 100% diagnostic. Then there is the core biopsy, which is larger, but still doesn't remove the whole lump and probably requires anesthesia. They want to wait 3 weeks so they can see how the lump between her shoulder blades feels. At that time, she will go in for surgery to have either 2 or 3 lumps removed. I plan to have those sent out for testing to make sure of what they are. ........excellent idea, no point in removing anything unless you get a histopathology done on it. I'm concerned that she is going to have 3 areas with stitches and that it will take her a long time to heal from that. Then what if I find 2 more in six months... do I have those taken out and then she will have to heal from those as well? ..........Depends on what the original lumps are. If they are benign, like lipomas, there's no reason to continue to take off all lumps. Dogs that are prone to making lipomas continue to make them. One of my dearly departed elder labs was in the lump of the month club. ...... Why are you concerned about the amount of time for healing? Is your dog's health not good? How does she feel overall? Don't worry about decisions involving mythological lumps 6 months from now. It may never happen! Do vets normally suggest going the surgical route over the biopsy route? The reason I question this is because the surgery will be lumped with a teeth cleaning and such. .........As for surgery over biopsy, I think it depends on the experiences and mindset of the vet. Some vets are more prone to watch and wait on older animals. Some want to do surgery on everything. I had a fine needle aspirate done on a cat with a lump and I could tell the vet did not like doing it, as this is done without anesthesia or locals. OTOH for tumors such as fibrosarcoma it is crucial to get a wide margin on the first surgery. So I think you need to have a chat with your vet about his philosophy and how big of a margin he's going to take, as he will be operating on an unknown lump. Of course the bigger the margin, the bigger the hole that needs to heal. .......You know some vets will not do any other surgery during teeth cleaning. Cleaning the teeth releases aerosolized bacteria into the air and they are concerned about getting this in open wounds. If the teeth are very bad, cleaning could also release a flood of bacteria into the system, so doing teeth cleaning with other surgical procedures can end up being hard on the dog. Some vets are now prescribing antibiotics before and after teeth cleaning to keep chances at a general infection down. I don't know if this is necessarily a great idea, but it might be worth discussing with your vet. ............And I agree with Alison, there's no need to get yearly vaccinations on elderly pups. More vaccinations does not confer more immunity to a dog already immune to a disease. May you have many many more days with your cherished senior buglady take out the dog before replying |
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