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Old November 13th 03, 03:11 AM
Tidds
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Hey all. Im doing a 10 minute teaching session as a part of my certificate
in adult teaching course. (biggining teaching) And I thought I would talk
about two styles of dog training. More aimed at teaching your dog to be
good pet and well behaved and not so much into teaching obedience training.

Now, I personally favour Roger Mugfords way of training yer pet pooch over
the likes of Barbara Woodhouse. Kind of prefer to think of me dog as me pal
when out with him (Roger Mugford) as opposed to bellowing an instruction at
him (Barbara Woodhouse).

Why am I telling you this ? Well I just thought I'd mention it to you all
and see if I can get some responces as I may be able to use. A pearl of
wisdom or a pointer or two.

what do you guys think of Mugford and Whitehouse.



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Old November 13th 03, 03:42 AM
Nevyn
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Hi Tidds

Personally, if I was completely incompetent and niave and had no idea about
dog training, I would use Mugfords' method. We sell his Halti at work to
people who buy dogs. However, after using Jerry Howes manual for almost a
year I have devised my own method of training which incorporates teaching
your pet to be well behaved and being obedient. . They are conditioned the
same way a parent conditions a child. Parents will create behavioural
problems in a child (and for the rest of his life) if, when they child is
doing something, they always look at the negative aspects. "Why didn't you
get the extra 10% on your test? You missed a spot of paint on your model
train etc..." Believing that this will drive him to improve himself, but it
doesnt, because we don't think like that. But, as I do with the dogs i
train, if you use the theory that. "Thats wonderful! But its even better if
you do it this way!". This is how i train my dogs. You MUST praise all
behaviour. Doesn't matter if good or bad. They will always want to please
you, and if they can do it in a better way, they pick it up alot quicker.
When I was studying my vet nursing certificate, my behavioural studies
teacher was trying to teach us that you must SCREAM IN THE DOGS FACE TO GET
IT UNDER CONTROL. Wow. Her and I spent nearly 2 hours arguing infront of the
class. Not to mention I was the only male in a class of 20. But we won't go
into that !hehe Needless to say I managed to make her see the light about
getting dogs to calm themselves. She now keeps a copy of Jerrys manual on
her desk for reference. Huh. Amazing!

We have behavioural therapists for dogs. Everyone knows this. We also have
behavioural therapists for people. Did you know that? No, they are not
psychologists. They "train" people, who'se parents mistreated them, to be
able to socialise and be in society, get into the workforce, be able to live
with a spouse, even teach fathers who were abused how not to abuse their
wife and children.. Now. How would that work if THEY SCREAMED IN THEIR
CLIENTS FACES when they did something wrong? No. They comfort them, reassure
them, praise them and ask them to try again.



--
Thankyou,
Nevyn

_________________________________
Nevyn E.D.
Veterinary Nurse & Animal Trainer

"You can judge a man's heart by his treatment of animals"
__________________________________
"Tidds" wrote in message
...
Hey all. Im doing a 10 minute teaching session as a part of my

certificate
in adult teaching course. (biggining teaching) And I thought I would

talk
about two styles of dog training. More aimed at teaching your dog to be
good pet and well behaved and not so much into teaching obedience

training.

Now, I personally favour Roger Mugfords way of training yer pet pooch over
the likes of Barbara Woodhouse. Kind of prefer to think of me dog as me

pal
when out with him (Roger Mugford) as opposed to bellowing an instruction

at
him (Barbara Woodhouse).

Why am I telling you this ? Well I just thought I'd mention it to you all
and see if I can get some responces as I may be able to use. A pearl of
wisdom or a pointer or two.

what do you guys think of Mugford and Whitehouse.





  #3  
Old November 13th 03, 03:42 AM
Nevyn
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Hi Tidds

Personally, if I was completely incompetent and niave and had no idea about
dog training, I would use Mugfords' method. We sell his Halti at work to
people who buy dogs. However, after using Jerry Howes manual for almost a
year I have devised my own method of training which incorporates teaching
your pet to be well behaved and being obedient. . They are conditioned the
same way a parent conditions a child. Parents will create behavioural
problems in a child (and for the rest of his life) if, when they child is
doing something, they always look at the negative aspects. "Why didn't you
get the extra 10% on your test? You missed a spot of paint on your model
train etc..." Believing that this will drive him to improve himself, but it
doesnt, because we don't think like that. But, as I do with the dogs i
train, if you use the theory that. "Thats wonderful! But its even better if
you do it this way!". This is how i train my dogs. You MUST praise all
behaviour. Doesn't matter if good or bad. They will always want to please
you, and if they can do it in a better way, they pick it up alot quicker.
When I was studying my vet nursing certificate, my behavioural studies
teacher was trying to teach us that you must SCREAM IN THE DOGS FACE TO GET
IT UNDER CONTROL. Wow. Her and I spent nearly 2 hours arguing infront of the
class. Not to mention I was the only male in a class of 20. But we won't go
into that !hehe Needless to say I managed to make her see the light about
getting dogs to calm themselves. She now keeps a copy of Jerrys manual on
her desk for reference. Huh. Amazing!

We have behavioural therapists for dogs. Everyone knows this. We also have
behavioural therapists for people. Did you know that? No, they are not
psychologists. They "train" people, who'se parents mistreated them, to be
able to socialise and be in society, get into the workforce, be able to live
with a spouse, even teach fathers who were abused how not to abuse their
wife and children.. Now. How would that work if THEY SCREAMED IN THEIR
CLIENTS FACES when they did something wrong? No. They comfort them, reassure
them, praise them and ask them to try again.



--
Thankyou,
Nevyn

_________________________________
Nevyn E.D.
Veterinary Nurse & Animal Trainer

"You can judge a man's heart by his treatment of animals"
__________________________________
"Tidds" wrote in message
...
Hey all. Im doing a 10 minute teaching session as a part of my

certificate
in adult teaching course. (biggining teaching) And I thought I would

talk
about two styles of dog training. More aimed at teaching your dog to be
good pet and well behaved and not so much into teaching obedience

training.

Now, I personally favour Roger Mugfords way of training yer pet pooch over
the likes of Barbara Woodhouse. Kind of prefer to think of me dog as me

pal
when out with him (Roger Mugford) as opposed to bellowing an instruction

at
him (Barbara Woodhouse).

Why am I telling you this ? Well I just thought I'd mention it to you all
and see if I can get some responces as I may be able to use. A pearl of
wisdom or a pointer or two.

what do you guys think of Mugford and Whitehouse.





  #4  
Old November 13th 03, 03:42 AM
Nevyn
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Hi Tidds

Personally, if I was completely incompetent and niave and had no idea about
dog training, I would use Mugfords' method. We sell his Halti at work to
people who buy dogs. However, after using Jerry Howes manual for almost a
year I have devised my own method of training which incorporates teaching
your pet to be well behaved and being obedient. . They are conditioned the
same way a parent conditions a child. Parents will create behavioural
problems in a child (and for the rest of his life) if, when they child is
doing something, they always look at the negative aspects. "Why didn't you
get the extra 10% on your test? You missed a spot of paint on your model
train etc..." Believing that this will drive him to improve himself, but it
doesnt, because we don't think like that. But, as I do with the dogs i
train, if you use the theory that. "Thats wonderful! But its even better if
you do it this way!". This is how i train my dogs. You MUST praise all
behaviour. Doesn't matter if good or bad. They will always want to please
you, and if they can do it in a better way, they pick it up alot quicker.
When I was studying my vet nursing certificate, my behavioural studies
teacher was trying to teach us that you must SCREAM IN THE DOGS FACE TO GET
IT UNDER CONTROL. Wow. Her and I spent nearly 2 hours arguing infront of the
class. Not to mention I was the only male in a class of 20. But we won't go
into that !hehe Needless to say I managed to make her see the light about
getting dogs to calm themselves. She now keeps a copy of Jerrys manual on
her desk for reference. Huh. Amazing!

We have behavioural therapists for dogs. Everyone knows this. We also have
behavioural therapists for people. Did you know that? No, they are not
psychologists. They "train" people, who'se parents mistreated them, to be
able to socialise and be in society, get into the workforce, be able to live
with a spouse, even teach fathers who were abused how not to abuse their
wife and children.. Now. How would that work if THEY SCREAMED IN THEIR
CLIENTS FACES when they did something wrong? No. They comfort them, reassure
them, praise them and ask them to try again.



--
Thankyou,
Nevyn

_________________________________
Nevyn E.D.
Veterinary Nurse & Animal Trainer

"You can judge a man's heart by his treatment of animals"
__________________________________
"Tidds" wrote in message
...
Hey all. Im doing a 10 minute teaching session as a part of my

certificate
in adult teaching course. (biggining teaching) And I thought I would

talk
about two styles of dog training. More aimed at teaching your dog to be
good pet and well behaved and not so much into teaching obedience

training.

Now, I personally favour Roger Mugfords way of training yer pet pooch over
the likes of Barbara Woodhouse. Kind of prefer to think of me dog as me

pal
when out with him (Roger Mugford) as opposed to bellowing an instruction

at
him (Barbara Woodhouse).

Why am I telling you this ? Well I just thought I'd mention it to you all
and see if I can get some responces as I may be able to use. A pearl of
wisdom or a pointer or two.

what do you guys think of Mugford and Whitehouse.





  #5  
Old November 13th 03, 03:42 AM
Nevyn
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Hi Tidds

Personally, if I was completely incompetent and niave and had no idea about
dog training, I would use Mugfords' method. We sell his Halti at work to
people who buy dogs. However, after using Jerry Howes manual for almost a
year I have devised my own method of training which incorporates teaching
your pet to be well behaved and being obedient. . They are conditioned the
same way a parent conditions a child. Parents will create behavioural
problems in a child (and for the rest of his life) if, when they child is
doing something, they always look at the negative aspects. "Why didn't you
get the extra 10% on your test? You missed a spot of paint on your model
train etc..." Believing that this will drive him to improve himself, but it
doesnt, because we don't think like that. But, as I do with the dogs i
train, if you use the theory that. "Thats wonderful! But its even better if
you do it this way!". This is how i train my dogs. You MUST praise all
behaviour. Doesn't matter if good or bad. They will always want to please
you, and if they can do it in a better way, they pick it up alot quicker.
When I was studying my vet nursing certificate, my behavioural studies
teacher was trying to teach us that you must SCREAM IN THE DOGS FACE TO GET
IT UNDER CONTROL. Wow. Her and I spent nearly 2 hours arguing infront of the
class. Not to mention I was the only male in a class of 20. But we won't go
into that !hehe Needless to say I managed to make her see the light about
getting dogs to calm themselves. She now keeps a copy of Jerrys manual on
her desk for reference. Huh. Amazing!

We have behavioural therapists for dogs. Everyone knows this. We also have
behavioural therapists for people. Did you know that? No, they are not
psychologists. They "train" people, who'se parents mistreated them, to be
able to socialise and be in society, get into the workforce, be able to live
with a spouse, even teach fathers who were abused how not to abuse their
wife and children.. Now. How would that work if THEY SCREAMED IN THEIR
CLIENTS FACES when they did something wrong? No. They comfort them, reassure
them, praise them and ask them to try again.



--
Thankyou,
Nevyn

_________________________________
Nevyn E.D.
Veterinary Nurse & Animal Trainer

"You can judge a man's heart by his treatment of animals"
__________________________________
"Tidds" wrote in message
...
Hey all. Im doing a 10 minute teaching session as a part of my

certificate
in adult teaching course. (biggining teaching) And I thought I would

talk
about two styles of dog training. More aimed at teaching your dog to be
good pet and well behaved and not so much into teaching obedience

training.

Now, I personally favour Roger Mugfords way of training yer pet pooch over
the likes of Barbara Woodhouse. Kind of prefer to think of me dog as me

pal
when out with him (Roger Mugford) as opposed to bellowing an instruction

at
him (Barbara Woodhouse).

Why am I telling you this ? Well I just thought I'd mention it to you all
and see if I can get some responces as I may be able to use. A pearl of
wisdom or a pointer or two.

what do you guys think of Mugford and Whitehouse.





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Old November 13th 03, 04:58 AM
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Old November 13th 03, 05:48 AM
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I have a number of Brit acquaintances who are Border Terrier breeders.
All you have to do to get hysterical laughter is to mention "training"
and "Woodhouse" (favorably or questioningly) in the same sentence. The
woman insulted and abused the Owners! And intimidated the dogs.
Neither makes a good learning environment and both are counterproductive
to the bonding and training processes.

I'm not terribly familiar with Mugeridge's personal approach to
training, but if it's primarily based on positive reinforcement
methodology, it's pretty much 180=B0 different from "that woman". The
average pet owner will find the methods much more comfortable to learn
and apply.... so more will be accomplished. More about how to train
will be learned in class or with individual instruction that can be
applied to training other behaviors in the future.

Jo Wolf
Martinez, Georgia

 




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