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Wet Food vs Dry Food
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BTW, the breeder told me to feed him adult dog food for the same reason. I'm confused. Most breeders don't know what they are talking about when it comes to nutrition. Not all large breed puppy foods are created the same. If you look at the guaranteed analysis you'll see that Science Diet Large Breed Puppy food has lower calcium and fat than other "large breed" foods--those are the 2 risk factors in large breed pups. |
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BTW, the breeder told me to feed him adult dog food for the same reason. I'm confused. Most breeders don't know what they are talking about when it comes to nutrition. Not all large breed puppy foods are created the same. If you look at the guaranteed analysis you'll see that Science Diet Large Breed Puppy food has lower calcium and fat than other "large breed" foods--those are the 2 risk factors in large breed pups. |
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Dry is better.
"Lewis" wrote in message ... Hello All, I have a 13 week old GSD. The breeder told me to soak the food in water for 10 min before I feed it to him, which supposedly helps prevent Bloat. The vet told me there's no facts to back that up and I can feed him dry food if I choose. Also, the breeder told me to put a teaspoon of yogurt in his food once a day for calcium. But, I read that puppies should not have as much calcium as adult dogs, because if they develop too fast it can cause problems. Which BTW, the breeder told me to feed him adult dog food for the same reason. I'm confused. Any comments? Thanks, Randall |
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Dry is better.
"Lewis" wrote in message ... Hello All, I have a 13 week old GSD. The breeder told me to soak the food in water for 10 min before I feed it to him, which supposedly helps prevent Bloat. The vet told me there's no facts to back that up and I can feed him dry food if I choose. Also, the breeder told me to put a teaspoon of yogurt in his food once a day for calcium. But, I read that puppies should not have as much calcium as adult dogs, because if they develop too fast it can cause problems. Which BTW, the breeder told me to feed him adult dog food for the same reason. I'm confused. Any comments? Thanks, Randall |
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I take it "water on the food" is different than "water soaked into the
food"? "Amy Dahl" wrote in message ... "Lewis" wrote in message ... Hello All, I have a 13 week old GSD. The breeder told me to soak the food in water for 10 min before I feed it to him, which supposedly helps prevent Bloat. The vet told me there's no facts to back that up and I can feed him dry food if I choose. A big survey on risk factors for bloat came out recently. The findings were, in some cases, contrary to what has been generally believed for some time. Putting water on the food was found to INCREASE risk of bloat. If the food contains citric acid, the increase in risk is large-- 100% IIRC. Feeding partially or entirely canned food was found to reduce risk significantly, as was breaking feedings into two or more per day. GSDs are one of the breeds with a high incidence of bloat. I suggest that whatever feeding protocol you come up with, it is *other than* one bowl of dry food per day. IMO both your breeder and your vet could be more current. Technically your vet is correct, but it would be nice if he/she could counsel you on preventing bloat, which strikes a lot of GSDs and is frequently fatal. Amy Dahl |
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I take it "water on the food" is different than "water soaked into the
food"? "Amy Dahl" wrote in message ... "Lewis" wrote in message ... Hello All, I have a 13 week old GSD. The breeder told me to soak the food in water for 10 min before I feed it to him, which supposedly helps prevent Bloat. The vet told me there's no facts to back that up and I can feed him dry food if I choose. A big survey on risk factors for bloat came out recently. The findings were, in some cases, contrary to what has been generally believed for some time. Putting water on the food was found to INCREASE risk of bloat. If the food contains citric acid, the increase in risk is large-- 100% IIRC. Feeding partially or entirely canned food was found to reduce risk significantly, as was breaking feedings into two or more per day. GSDs are one of the breeds with a high incidence of bloat. I suggest that whatever feeding protocol you come up with, it is *other than* one bowl of dry food per day. IMO both your breeder and your vet could be more current. Technically your vet is correct, but it would be nice if he/she could counsel you on preventing bloat, which strikes a lot of GSDs and is frequently fatal. Amy Dahl |
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Lewis wrote: Also, the breeder told me to put a teaspoon of yogurt in his food once a day for calcium. But, I read that puppies should not have as much calcium as adult dogs, because if they develop too fast it can cause problems. Which BTW, the breeder told me to feed him adult dog food for the same reason. The current understanding is that calcium supplementation is bad, as excess calcium during growth is associated with skeletal problems. Last I heard, and don't depend on me on this number, the recommendation for large breeds was for calcium to be in the range of 0.5 to 1% dry mass. (I am not sure just what this means as calcium is an ion and thus does not occur by itself--whatever other ion it is associated with will affect its formula weight.) While "don't supplement calcium" is straightforward, it is harder to know what is best to feed, at what age to switch from puppy food, if puppy food is fed, etc. I feed my puppies the same premium adult feed I give my adult dogs. It is labeled "for all life stages," which some here will tell you means it *is* a puppy food, but has the added plus of guaranteed maximum, as well as minimum, amounts of calcium and phosphorus. If only a guaranteed minimum is given, the possibility exists that the pet food manufacturer adds extra of that ingredient to be sure to exceed the minimum. Anyway, I feel that the limited information available, and the vested interests of some who publish feeding/diet information, makes feeding dogs partially guesswork. My current best guess is to feed the food I described, and adjust the quantity based on condition of the puppy. Hope this helps. Amy Dahl |
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Lewis wrote: Also, the breeder told me to put a teaspoon of yogurt in his food once a day for calcium. But, I read that puppies should not have as much calcium as adult dogs, because if they develop too fast it can cause problems. Which BTW, the breeder told me to feed him adult dog food for the same reason. The current understanding is that calcium supplementation is bad, as excess calcium during growth is associated with skeletal problems. Last I heard, and don't depend on me on this number, the recommendation for large breeds was for calcium to be in the range of 0.5 to 1% dry mass. (I am not sure just what this means as calcium is an ion and thus does not occur by itself--whatever other ion it is associated with will affect its formula weight.) While "don't supplement calcium" is straightforward, it is harder to know what is best to feed, at what age to switch from puppy food, if puppy food is fed, etc. I feed my puppies the same premium adult feed I give my adult dogs. It is labeled "for all life stages," which some here will tell you means it *is* a puppy food, but has the added plus of guaranteed maximum, as well as minimum, amounts of calcium and phosphorus. If only a guaranteed minimum is given, the possibility exists that the pet food manufacturer adds extra of that ingredient to be sure to exceed the minimum. Anyway, I feel that the limited information available, and the vested interests of some who publish feeding/diet information, makes feeding dogs partially guesswork. My current best guess is to feed the food I described, and adjust the quantity based on condition of the puppy. Hope this helps. Amy Dahl |
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ZPL wrote: I take it "water on the food" is different than "water soaked into the food"? I take it as the same thing. Now that you mention it, I can't remember if the report I read (by Jerrold Bell, DVM, PhD in the AKC Gazette) said "water added" or "food soaked in water"--because in my mind they are equivalent. I concluded that in feeding kibble to a dog in a high risk group, it is best to feed dry. This survey is big news for owners of bloat-prone breeds. I bet with a search you could find a summary on the internet and get the details for yourself. Amy Dahl |
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ZPL wrote: I take it "water on the food" is different than "water soaked into the food"? I take it as the same thing. Now that you mention it, I can't remember if the report I read (by Jerrold Bell, DVM, PhD in the AKC Gazette) said "water added" or "food soaked in water"--because in my mind they are equivalent. I concluded that in feeding kibble to a dog in a high risk group, it is best to feed dry. This survey is big news for owners of bloat-prone breeds. I bet with a search you could find a summary on the internet and get the details for yourself. Amy Dahl |
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