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Old August 16th 03, 05:40 AM
GAUBSTER2
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Default Wet Food vs Dry Food

Which
BTW, the breeder told me to feed him adult dog food for the same reason.

I'm confused.


Most breeders don't know what they are talking about when it comes to
nutrition. Not all large breed puppy foods are created the same. If you look
at the guaranteed analysis you'll see that Science Diet Large Breed Puppy food
has lower calcium and fat than other "large breed" foods--those are the 2 risk
factors in large breed pups.
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Old August 16th 03, 05:40 AM
GAUBSTER2
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Which
BTW, the breeder told me to feed him adult dog food for the same reason.

I'm confused.


Most breeders don't know what they are talking about when it comes to
nutrition. Not all large breed puppy foods are created the same. If you look
at the guaranteed analysis you'll see that Science Diet Large Breed Puppy food
has lower calcium and fat than other "large breed" foods--those are the 2 risk
factors in large breed pups.
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Old August 16th 03, 08:55 AM
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Dry is better.


"Lewis" wrote in message
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Hello All,

I have a 13 week old GSD. The breeder told me to soak the food in water

for
10 min before I feed it to him, which supposedly helps prevent Bloat. The
vet told me there's no facts to back that up and I can feed him dry food

if
I choose.

Also, the breeder told me to put a teaspoon of yogurt in his food once a

day
for calcium. But, I read that puppies should not have as much calcium as
adult dogs, because if they develop too fast it can cause problems. Which
BTW, the breeder told me to feed him adult dog food for the same reason.

I'm confused.

Any comments?

Thanks,
Randall






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Old August 16th 03, 08:55 AM
JanTGH
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Dry is better.


"Lewis" wrote in message
...
Hello All,

I have a 13 week old GSD. The breeder told me to soak the food in water

for
10 min before I feed it to him, which supposedly helps prevent Bloat. The
vet told me there's no facts to back that up and I can feed him dry food

if
I choose.

Also, the breeder told me to put a teaspoon of yogurt in his food once a

day
for calcium. But, I read that puppies should not have as much calcium as
adult dogs, because if they develop too fast it can cause problems. Which
BTW, the breeder told me to feed him adult dog food for the same reason.

I'm confused.

Any comments?

Thanks,
Randall






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Old August 16th 03, 03:03 PM
ZPL
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I take it "water on the food" is different than "water soaked into the
food"?

"Amy Dahl" wrote in message
...
"Lewis" wrote in message
...
Hello All,

I have a 13 week old GSD. The breeder told me to soak the food in

water
for
10 min before I feed it to him, which supposedly helps prevent Bloat.

The
vet told me there's no facts to back that up and I can feed him dry

food
if
I choose.


A big survey on risk factors for bloat came out recently. The findings
were, in some cases, contrary to what has been generally believed for
some time. Putting water on the food was found to INCREASE risk of
bloat. If the food contains citric acid, the increase in risk is large--
100% IIRC.

Feeding partially or entirely canned food was found to reduce risk
significantly, as was breaking feedings into two or more per day.

GSDs are one of the breeds with a high incidence of bloat. I suggest
that whatever feeding protocol you come up with, it is *other than*
one bowl of dry food per day.

IMO both your breeder and your vet could be more current. Technically
your vet is correct, but it would be nice if he/she could counsel you
on preventing bloat, which strikes a lot of GSDs and is frequently fatal.

Amy Dahl



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Old August 16th 03, 03:03 PM
ZPL
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I take it "water on the food" is different than "water soaked into the
food"?

"Amy Dahl" wrote in message
...
"Lewis" wrote in message
...
Hello All,

I have a 13 week old GSD. The breeder told me to soak the food in

water
for
10 min before I feed it to him, which supposedly helps prevent Bloat.

The
vet told me there's no facts to back that up and I can feed him dry

food
if
I choose.


A big survey on risk factors for bloat came out recently. The findings
were, in some cases, contrary to what has been generally believed for
some time. Putting water on the food was found to INCREASE risk of
bloat. If the food contains citric acid, the increase in risk is large--
100% IIRC.

Feeding partially or entirely canned food was found to reduce risk
significantly, as was breaking feedings into two or more per day.

GSDs are one of the breeds with a high incidence of bloat. I suggest
that whatever feeding protocol you come up with, it is *other than*
one bowl of dry food per day.

IMO both your breeder and your vet could be more current. Technically
your vet is correct, but it would be nice if he/she could counsel you
on preventing bloat, which strikes a lot of GSDs and is frequently fatal.

Amy Dahl



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Old August 16th 03, 03:13 PM
Amy Dahl
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Lewis wrote:

Also, the breeder told me to put a teaspoon of yogurt in his food once a day
for calcium. But, I read that puppies should not have as much calcium as
adult dogs, because if they develop too fast it can cause problems. Which
BTW, the breeder told me to feed him adult dog food for the same reason.

The current understanding is that calcium supplementation is bad, as
excess calcium during growth is associated with skeletal problems.
Last I heard, and don't depend on me on this number, the recommendation
for large breeds was for calcium to be in the range of 0.5 to 1% dry
mass. (I am not sure just what this means as calcium is an ion and
thus does not occur by itself--whatever other ion it is associated with
will affect its formula weight.)

While "don't supplement calcium" is straightforward, it is harder to
know what is best to feed, at what age to switch from puppy food, if
puppy food is fed, etc. I feed my puppies the same premium adult feed
I give my adult dogs. It is labeled "for all life stages," which some
here will tell you means it *is* a puppy food, but has the added
plus of guaranteed maximum, as well as minimum, amounts of calcium and
phosphorus.

If only a guaranteed minimum is given, the possibility exists that the
pet food manufacturer adds extra of that ingredient to be sure to
exceed the minimum.

Anyway, I feel that the limited information available, and the vested
interests of some who publish feeding/diet information, makes feeding
dogs partially guesswork. My current best guess is to feed the food
I described, and adjust the quantity based on condition of the puppy.

Hope this helps.

Amy Dahl
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Old August 16th 03, 03:13 PM
Amy Dahl
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Lewis wrote:

Also, the breeder told me to put a teaspoon of yogurt in his food once a day
for calcium. But, I read that puppies should not have as much calcium as
adult dogs, because if they develop too fast it can cause problems. Which
BTW, the breeder told me to feed him adult dog food for the same reason.

The current understanding is that calcium supplementation is bad, as
excess calcium during growth is associated with skeletal problems.
Last I heard, and don't depend on me on this number, the recommendation
for large breeds was for calcium to be in the range of 0.5 to 1% dry
mass. (I am not sure just what this means as calcium is an ion and
thus does not occur by itself--whatever other ion it is associated with
will affect its formula weight.)

While "don't supplement calcium" is straightforward, it is harder to
know what is best to feed, at what age to switch from puppy food, if
puppy food is fed, etc. I feed my puppies the same premium adult feed
I give my adult dogs. It is labeled "for all life stages," which some
here will tell you means it *is* a puppy food, but has the added
plus of guaranteed maximum, as well as minimum, amounts of calcium and
phosphorus.

If only a guaranteed minimum is given, the possibility exists that the
pet food manufacturer adds extra of that ingredient to be sure to
exceed the minimum.

Anyway, I feel that the limited information available, and the vested
interests of some who publish feeding/diet information, makes feeding
dogs partially guesswork. My current best guess is to feed the food
I described, and adjust the quantity based on condition of the puppy.

Hope this helps.

Amy Dahl
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Old August 16th 03, 03:21 PM
Amy Dahl
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ZPL wrote:

I take it "water on the food" is different than "water soaked into the
food"?

I take it as the same thing. Now that you mention it, I can't remember
if the report I read (by Jerrold Bell, DVM, PhD in the AKC Gazette)
said "water added" or "food soaked in water"--because in my mind they
are equivalent. I concluded that in feeding kibble to a dog in a
high risk group, it is best to feed dry.

This survey is big news for owners of bloat-prone breeds. I bet with a
search you could find a summary on the internet and get the details for
yourself.

Amy Dahl
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Old August 16th 03, 03:21 PM
Amy Dahl
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ZPL wrote:

I take it "water on the food" is different than "water soaked into the
food"?

I take it as the same thing. Now that you mention it, I can't remember
if the report I read (by Jerrold Bell, DVM, PhD in the AKC Gazette)
said "water added" or "food soaked in water"--because in my mind they
are equivalent. I concluded that in feeding kibble to a dog in a
high risk group, it is best to feed dry.

This survey is big news for owners of bloat-prone breeds. I bet with a
search you could find a summary on the internet and get the details for
yourself.

Amy Dahl
 




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